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Off Grid Nerf and Factional Warfare
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Dan Carter Murray
#21 - 2012-08-25 07:58:44 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
I foreseee lots of people unsubbing as their supposed reputation rested solely on their double link alts and in actual fact they are pretty damn terrible players.


yeah a certain someone is butthurt about the poster in the FW album regarding this exactly

Herping yourDerp wrote:
don't ganglinks go in the highslots? i feel like any dedicated ship to links will be trash in every thing ( except tank and oh hey giving boosts)
might as well put warp stabs on it.


utility high on every BC. i.e. hurricane has 2. you can still fight just fine. if you want 3 links then have 3 of your BCs put a link in. most of the time you really only need 1 or 2 of the links instead of the whole shabang that offgrid links have.

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-08-25 09:01:25 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
utility high on every BC. i.e. hurricane has 2. you can still fight just fine. if you want 3 links then have 3 of your BCs put a link in. most of the time you really only need 1 or 2 of the links instead of the whole shabang that offgrid links have.


Still doesn't close the native ship bonuses that Command Ships and their Tech 3 counterparts have. 3 and 5% nautral and a mindlink for boosting versus an unbonused battlecruiser with a single link are completely different worlds. However, if they reverted the boost bonus to 5% for Command ships, and 3% for the Tech 3, I for one would enjoy seeing Claymores/Damnations out and about in fleets again.

If this goes through- I will finally be able to do something with that Claymore BPO that's been collecting dust for the past year or so.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2012-08-25 09:03:23 UTC
Xolve wrote:
The boost is marginal without the effectiveness bonus that Command Ships/T3's get..

Yeah, who in their right mind would ever want to settle for a 33% range increase on webs/points when he knows its possible to get 42%!!!! Difference that 2-3%/level makes it not all that .. just sayin'
Xolve wrote:
.. and with most battlecruiser fits it means smaller guns or a weaker tank, but in general typically ends up botching your fit. In most instances it's simply not worth it...

[Hurricane, Prove Him Wrong]
Damage Control II
3x Gyrostabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Tracking Enhancer II

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
2x Large Shield Extender II
Faint Warp Disruptor I

6x 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II

Now I know it is not kosher to use the Hurricane with auto's as they are going to be nerfed fitting wise Soon™, but the sacrifices are really not that grave. Without checking the others I'd say you may have to use a single CPU lowslot on most of them.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-08-25 09:25:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
you may have to use a single CPU lowslot on most of them.


And sadly, that is against everything I believe in.

Fitting mods are the devil (and your fit is bad).
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-08-25 09:38:27 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
you may have to use a single CPU lowslot on most of them.


And sadly, that is against everything I believe in.

Fitting mods are the devil (and your fit is bad).


Xolve my man. I think you are missing the point here (the point being different than the original threads point admittedly).

1-Battlecruisers can fit into majors and be a tad bit more of an option to use in FW engagements. Especially with the lower skilled pilots.
2-Ofcourse Command ships and tech 3's can do it better.

Another thing is generally someone fitting links to a BC will have to sacrifice something or another to make his fleet better.

Not arguing just saying.

Back to rage fits over ppl being able to use boosters with little to no risk at all.

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-08-25 09:52:48 UTC
Stalking Mantis wrote:

1-Battlecruisers can fit into majors and be a tad bit more of an option to use in FW engagements. Especially with the lower skilled pilots.
2-Ofcourse Command ships and tech 3's can do it better.


Nah- I'm more of the opinion that bad pilots with links are terrible pilots without links. This whole argument is pretty silly, since there hasn't been any official discourse about it from CCP and it's literally just a bunch of people speculating at changes. I would say that if it's removed, the return of Damnations and Claymores to the front lines will be fun; say what you want about them, removing them from the field takes a bit of work and I will finally have a reason to have trained Command Ships V.

If OGB were to get nerfed, I'd would be pretty okay with it, a well lead and prepared fleet shouldn't have problems dealing with links at all; and if it's too much of a problem go find something else to shoot at. When all else fails- use Falcons. Given the way that other non-combat links work (Orca/Rorq), I don't see CCP removing them from the game.

EVE isn't fair. End of story.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#27 - 2012-08-27 08:19:44 UTC
I must say, it is impressive how OP the Incursus is with an off-grid Legion/Loki combo. The same goes for a T2 plated Maller with remote reps from an Execquror/other Mallers, as experienced in a Outpost on the weekend. Busting that tank these days is a herculean task for a kitchen sink fleet.

I'll give the Amarr guys this much - they certainly have some nice Legion boosters.

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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#28 - 2012-08-27 12:31:16 UTC
Xolve wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
CCP Yttr said that off grid boosts should be removed from game in the CSM minutes. Then posts.


I look forward to the next time you flip **** for losing a comet to an Incursus...


Dan Carter Murray wrote:
is everyone aware about the battlecruiser 99% reduction in cpu for warfare links? cheaper than tech 3s and they fit in majors!


The boost is marginal without the effectiveness bonus that Command Ships/T3's get and with most battlecruiser fits it means smaller guns or a weaker tank, but in general typically ends up botching your fit. In most instances it's simply not worth it; I am however excited to see Command Ships have a purpose again (aside from sitting in POSs).

Anyone have a link to where this is any kind of development for even SiSi- saying it was brought up in CSM minutes doesn't make it a 'thing' and CCP/CSM have been kicking this around for literally 5 years.



actually not ... the diference is mindlink .... i was boosting for very long time just with drakes + maxed skills + skirmish mindlink
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#29 - 2012-08-27 13:16:21 UTC
As far as downsides...The "notes" feature on characters will be decidedly less useful now that I don't have to label boosting alts to know which systems to avoid.
Katalci
Kismesis
#30 - 2012-08-27 19:33:45 UTC
Great content in the OP, would read again!
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#31 - 2012-08-28 12:02:09 UTC
You got it all wrong. The problem is not off grid boosting, the real problem is that my Scorpions do not work from 64 AU, like those Lokis/Tengus/Legions. This is what needs to be fixed ASAP. Bear
Tortise Winkle VonDudenberg
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-08-28 13:26:46 UTC
Stop with the nerfs and start using strategies to void the booster. Like taking the fight to another system. Or better yet. Bring your own booster. Nerf Everything!, because if i i cant have them you shouldn't either. What is stopping any of you from gettin your very own booster? Nothing! If you dont have one find someone who does. Its not hard, it just requires a lil bit of social interaction. Which is a good thing.


HTFU
Nicaragua
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-08-28 15:13:31 UTC
Tortise Winkle VonDudenberg wrote:
Nothing! If you dont have one find someone who does. Its not hard, it just requires a lil bit of social interaction. Which is a good thing.



An off grid booster requires zero social interaction. In fact typically it only requires one person with 2 accounts, which is about as antisocial as you can get.
Cap James Tkirk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-08-29 22:59:28 UTC
[/quote]utility high on every BC. i.e. hurricane has 2. you can still fight just fine. if you want 3 links then have 3 of your BCs put a link in. most of the time you really only need 1 or 2 of the links instead of the whole shabang that offgrid links have.[/quote]


unless the other 2 BC pilots are trained up to FC 1 and WC1 they are gonna be useless as boosters just sayin Roll
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