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Is 0.0 all about RMT?

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#121 - 2011-10-13 17:32:41 UTC
Naran Eto wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Remove local and the bots go away.





That's a 50/50 guess at best to be honest.

The way most of these bots work is by checking local and automatically warping and docking if someone appears in local who is not blue to them.

On the one hand you could say having no local leaves them open to being ganked.

But on the other hand you could say it helps them because they won't be having to deal with AFK cloakers and docking up all te time ruining their isk/hour.

It could swing either way.




You may well be correct, but you gave me an idea.

There is much accusation about which way CCP swings over the bot issue. Some say CCP don't care, others say CCP is in on it - or has staff that's in on it. Baseless? True? False? Who knows.


But imagine that there was a huge AFK Cloaking movement making bots safe up or dock up all over the universe, and then suddenly all those calls to remove local are heeded? People have been asking for the removal of local for years, and every time it comes up, 0.0 players swarm in claiming how removing local in 0.0 will kill the game, cause fire to rain from the sky, and German SS soldiers riding dinosaurs will shoot lasers at us in the streets.

Would it be safe to say that these are botters if not simply "nullbears"? Again I don't know.

A bot depends on the auto-dock/ss process much more than a simple nullbear. The latter can work safely behind their alliance bubble camps. But too many AFK cloakers (or not AFK) could change things.

But that too could be 50/50 - we would not see the removal of local on behest of the RMT people, because they need local to survive thanks to wormholes.

We might end up seeing the end of cloaks, or AFK cloaking, before that, and if CCP swings towards obedience to the political power of the botters, I would hate to find out that way.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#122 - 2011-10-13 17:34:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
What the hell is a "null bear" and why do you people (yes, I said it, "you people," deal with it) insist on using derivations of that phrase as stupid pejoratives rather than directly discussing whatever problems you have?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#123 - 2011-10-13 17:37:07 UTC
EVE Stig wrote:
Anela Cistine wrote:
EVE Stig wrote:

Yes, listen and trust the Goon lol


I wouldn't trust me either, but what part of my advice was bad? We have our own newbies practice doing dangerous things like running camps in cheap frigates, it works. From what I've seen travel fit T3s with interdiction nullifiers and covops cloaks can roam nullsec pretty much at will, and are fine as long as all you want to do is look around. A tiny covops ship is a bit easier to lose, but also much cheaper and faster to train for.

I'm goonswarm's current Director of Rifters, so if I'm giving bad advice I'd like to know about it.


Id have to say the part where you pretend you recruit from EVE cause you only recruit gank bait from EVE.


It is possible that I missed it but where in Anela Cistine's post did she mention recruiting?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Muse of Minmatar
Doomheim
#124 - 2011-10-13 17:43:22 UTC
I have a serious question:

Who the hell is selling so many PLEX?


I mean, I know of many people who play "for free" buying PLEX every month. But I doubt there are so many others who pay cash for ingame isk, yet te PLEX prices don't skyrocket.

Everyone and his dog can make billions per month (or most claim to), then, why PLEX doesn't cost 1b or more?
Kumq uat
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2011-10-13 17:45:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Kumq uat
Blah
Apon Ire
Doomheim
#126 - 2011-10-13 18:02:34 UTC
Most of the alts are made by Lyris Nairn.

My reasoning? Someone who obviously loves reading his own posts and spends his days on the forums.
Kumq uat
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2011-10-13 18:02:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Kumq uat
Mostly the DRF sections. Their uppance will come soon though with the changes to Supers.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#128 - 2011-10-13 20:11:09 UTC
Kumq uat wrote:
Mostly the DRF sections. Their uppance will come soon though with the changes to Supers.


Their comeuppance will come when CCP stops looking the other way for them

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#129 - 2011-10-13 20:38:01 UTC
Apon Ire wrote:
Most of the alts are made by Lyris Nairn.

My reasoning? Someone who obviously loves reading his own posts and spends his days on the forums.

It's true, I love my posts so much that I subscribe dozens of accounts just so that I can give myself the "like".

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#130 - 2011-10-13 21:04:01 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
What the hell is a "null bear" and why do you people (yes, I said it, "you people," deal with it) insist on using derivations of that phrase as stupid pejoratives rather than directly discussing whatever problems you have?



Your question is loaded both ways. I won't bother with it.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#131 - 2011-10-13 21:22:00 UTC
I am a Lyris Nairn alt.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#132 - 2011-10-13 21:23:30 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
What the hell is a "null bear" and why do you people (yes, I said it, "you people," deal with it) insist on using derivations of that phrase as stupid pejoratives rather than directly discussing whatever problems you have?



Your question is loaded both ways. I won't bother with it.




good call for someone with the brain the size of a peanut, ducking out of a discussion

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#133 - 2011-10-13 21:24:53 UTC
If you buy ISK from a third party site, you need to ask yourself where it comes from. They can't just print it. And they need lots of it.

It comes from the game. Botters and the 0.0 alliances that use them. The days of a back room full of gold farming people are long gone. Now they simply make connections with highly placed gamers for gold purchasing.

Third party ISK sellers are just the middlemen for a thriving business that helps sites like SA pay their bills and Alliance heads pay off their RL mortgages.

On top of that, you have CCP setting a bad example by selling ISK in the form of tradable GTCs.

Bit of a strange situation.

Mr Epeen Cool
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#134 - 2011-10-13 22:54:17 UTC
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
I am a Lyris Nairn alt.

Confirming this; also, liking it because I love the auto-circle-jerk of responding to and liking my own posts.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Gogurt
#135 - 2011-10-13 23:25:31 UTC
Sporx Utensil
Colossus Enterprises
#136 - 2011-10-13 23:28:33 UTC
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.


can't tell if serious or being sarcastic...
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#137 - 2011-10-13 23:30:45 UTC
he means more than "i heard the goonies rmt ban them all tia"

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#138 - 2011-10-13 23:51:39 UTC
Goons ruin everything.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#139 - 2011-10-14 00:00:54 UTC
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Goons ruin everything.



Nah they're just like kids looking for muma's attention Lol

Guys just throw ya some candies right here Lol
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#140 - 2011-10-14 00:01:14 UTC
RMT is an issue due to the people buying the ISK, if nobody would buy there wouldn't be a long life for RMT.

Bots are used by lazy arese people which don't understand that participating in a game means just that, participate.
Also used by those thet RMT.

Stop buying from RMT sites and you will automaticly lose a lot of bots.