EVE General Discussion

just thought I'd say: Some interesting ideas in here - along with the normal flotsam and jetsam that needs to be ignored.

++ + = Eve

In the issue of PvP vs PvE there needs to be a bit more understanding of why different people enjoy different play styles. I think it has to do with how they experience The Rush. Some call it The PvP shakes, but either way, its caused by adrenaline.

The Rush is a good felling one gets with and after a burst of adrenaline associated with an exciting experience, like PvP combat. Not everyone gets The Rush. Some get no pleasure from adrenaline, and some actually feel bad or sick from it. According to Dr. Drew Pinsky, the difference between these people is genetic. You are born to get The Rush, or you are not. The result is some players will not enjoy PvP and actively seek to avoid it, and no amount of game tweaking will change that, because game tweaking will not change their genes. After all this is a game, people will tend to avoid game activities that make them sick. Instead they do cooperative activities, industry, missions and the like, or just play as solo players.

People who do not get The Rush can also enjoy activities like fishing, a sport that is more popular that any computer game, even WoW. Or puzzle games, or solitaire, or Golf (one of the most popular pastimes on the planet). These players like an activity that occupies the mind, is relaxing, and gives one a gentle feeling of accomplishment as they watch the isk pile up. For them, a certain amount of repetition is not boring, its reassuring and relaxing.

People who avoid PvP space combat are not afraid of losing their stuff, they are trying to avoid exposure to adrenaline. Adrenaline also cases some bad side effects (http://www.ehow.com/about_5038314_effects-adrenaline-rush.htmlf) to the point I'm wondering if games that have non-consensual PvP may need health warnings, or will at some point become regulated.

If part of the game can be made "Adrenaline free" more such people would be retained. (CCP, I'm sure you got statistics on how many people stop playing after their first non-consensual PvP experience.) How can that be done? Well, high sec is already very close.

If you are not in a player corp and stay in high sec all you have to deal with are suicide ganks. An interesting question is if having suicide ganks in the game increase or decrease subs. If they were removed, would it really impact the game as a whole much, or just impact those few players who like to do them?

Also CCP mentioned (at fanfest) the idea of a "Corp lite", a player "corp" that is little more than a chat channel. It cannot join an alliance, or put up a POS, or be in a war, and it pays the NPC corp tax. Players already set these up, maybe we need it formalized into the game for the adrenaline adverse.

You need to ask the question "does eve need a bunch of new players in the 1st place.

For me, the answer is NO. EVE needs to grow some sure, games either grow or die, it needs enough subscirbers to stay viable, but beyond that, screw it.

You act like there aren't enough players to throw a "wrench into the current power structure".

There are more than enough, If EVE Miner that Goons blew (of paid to have blown) out of a ship fitted a rifter, fleeted up and went to Goon controlled nullsec one day, Deklien would fall....until some rare goon with 2 braincells to rub together told his mates to fit smart bombs, which knowing goons would take at least a week ti figure out. Then the "High Sec Justice Blob" could just switch to Mission running ravens, and Deklien Coaltion would die in a hail of cruise missiles....

But the high sec crowd doesn't want to do that. More people of YOUR type Anslo isn't goint to change anything, it's just going to make ships really really cheap because of all the mining lol.

And you tend to act like the game isn't "diverse" enough. I've got 12 characters spread across New Eden and it's Wormhole space, seems plenty "diverse: to me.

EVE's population is growing at a fast enough rate for me (if not for CCP), if anything I fear an influx of "new blood" will provide financial pressure for ccp to turn EVE more into an average mass appeal game , breaking away from being the EXCELLENT niche game it already is.

The truth is anslo, people like you advocate"change" simply for the sake of change, because you can't be happy with what you have or the current state of anything. CCP should resist change based on nothing.....

seriously though, if CCP wants to fix the bounty system. They have to make it so that a bounty on your head is something that the player doesn't actually want. I laugh when i see 10k isk bounties. Just because the player wants their picture to say "wanted"

there needs to be a way for the crime watch system to tally up your criminal acts and set the bounty for you and then additionally the player who receives the bounty on their head should NOT want it for fear of some consequence other than financial. It's the only way I can see the system not being exploited or rendered completely useless.

So originally, I wanted to troll this post here, but then it actually got me thinking about real answers and opinions to this question.

In the spirit of CCP Soundwave's "Little Things" post and the precursor to it, Akita T's " The 1000 Papercuts Project," why not make a thread about how CCP could REALLY get more subscribers? Not just keep its current base happy, but attract new and fresh blood to diversify the game, even throw a wrench in the current power balance a bit.

I'm all for voluntary PvP flags that you can toggle on and off in high sec for those wishing to PvP without doing the can thing or war dec thing.

I'd have to scratch my head on this. Years back, I had no inkling how EVE would play like .... however, I learned that losses weren't to be taken lightly (when all you've got to your name is less than 5 mil) and there's every chance of interference from other players (can flipping, ninja salvaging etc.) for any sort of PVE activities. Despite that, I never saw it as an issue or problem because it's not beyond what you'd expect out of a game. Perhaps being familiar with old skool games/concepts tempered my expectations somewhat.

No, that doesn't work in practice. If someone's interest in EVE is heavily towards the PVP elements, doing the mandatory PVE day-in and day-out, will erode his/her interest in playing EVE - if sustained over a long period of time.