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Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#61 - 2012-08-24 11:47:06 UTC
And you are one of them.
Cpt Branko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-08-24 11:55:13 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Were people constantly spew the fact that EvE is a PvP game and you sit there thinking "If that were true, I know so many better PvP games".


Wish I knew of one.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#63 - 2012-08-24 11:56:16 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
(Jesus, I said Bugger off, to many damn Brits in this game)
Not that I'm a Brit, but… Join the dark siiiiide… Twisted

Anyway, yes. I don't quite get why EVE apparently has to be turned into one of those other games that people play. If they want that gameplay, what's wrong with the game they're referencing? Why can't EVE be allowed to just be EVE? Straight

One of the main reasons I play EVE is because it offers something radically different than pretty much anything and everything out there — if I want to play something else, there's plenty to choose from.
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#64 - 2012-08-24 12:13:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
I don't quite get why...


Its not hard...you only need to flex your mind a little. I'm sure your boss tells you every week.Big smile
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#65 - 2012-08-24 12:25:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Kamuria wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I notice that every single person who somehow wants the game to change compares the game to some other game that either has nothing to do with EVE (ie themepark MMOs) or are so different form EVE that it's stupid to compare them (ie single player games, FPS games and such), Those of us who actually like EVE don't spend so much time thinking about other games.

It begs the question, why not bugger off (Jesus, I said Bugger off, to many damn Brits in this game) and play those kinds of games they actually like rather than coming here , spamming the forums in an attempt to get the game maker to radically change this game.

It just seems super crazy to me, when I don't like how a game is I just stop playing it.


It's like saying, go learn about life and society by isolating yourself on an island. You won't make progress and evolve if you don't learn from others. Your point of view is quite sad really. If people weren't "spamming" the forums with their opinion, feedback would be impossible. Grow up !


So, you play a game that you do't really like an i'm the one who should grow up lol. You compare a niche sandbox MMO TO DIABLO and I need to grow up? rofl

I always say this when confront by people of your type. Their is nothing wrong with playing your way, liking what you like and so forth, as long as you understand that this niche sandbox game might no cater 100% to just you. There are plenty of us who , you know, just like EVE for what it is.

As for the "world vs Island" thing, that's an example of your faulty thinking. I live in America, an imperfect place to be sure, but we like it for the most part. I deal with people from other countries who grumble all the time and say "in my country, we do it better, we do it different, ect ect". I'm sure their places of origin are great places, but.....

.......It begs the question, why the $%^& aren't you in your country then, why are you HERE trying to change what We like rather than just going to where YOU like it? Same for games, if you like Mass Effect and Diablo or whatever, go there and play that, leave EVE for the EVE players.
CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#66 - 2012-08-24 12:25:23 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Was there a point in there somewhere?



+1
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#67 - 2012-08-24 12:33:19 UTC
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Was there a point in there somewhere?


The point is to make a demand to have personal tastes catered to while couching such a demand in faux altruism.



Cutting right to the heart of the matter, well done, have a like sir!
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#68 - 2012-08-24 13:18:14 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Was there a point in there somewhere?


The point is to make a demand to have personal tastes catered to while couching such a demand in faux altruism.



Cutting right to the heart of the matter, well done, have a like sir!


And I'll give a like to you Jenn...I think you need it.
Darth Schweinebacke
Wings of Fury.
#69 - 2012-08-24 13:44:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Schweinebacke
If EvE would be like other games out there I surely would have stopped playing the game a long time ago instead of still sticking to it after almost 9 years now.

You might say that ccp has not added that much content over the time, but they added many tools to create our own content in our little sandbox. If you were playing eve for 4 years and still do not get that ccp merely provides us with the tools to forge our own destiny you will never understand what eve is about.

When i buy a game for 50-60 € i might have a game with lots of content, but I play that game for one weekend at max and then i am done with it. In EvE there are so many things you can do if you are open minded and creative and do not wait for the developer to tell you what to do that you can spend many years in EvE.

Again... EvE for me is special because we as players can create our own content and not in a way that other games like Star Trek Online give you the chance to do it (creating your own PvE missions and stuff like that).

No.. we create our own content by building up empires or tearing them down and ccp gives us new tools to do that on a regular basis. If you need someone to write a storyline for you to follow then EvE never was the right game for you and if it took you 4 years to figure that out i feel sorry for you.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#70 - 2012-08-24 14:03:29 UTC
Darth Schweinebacke wrote:
If EvE would be like other games out there I surely would have stopped playing the game a long time ago instead of still sticking to it after almost 9 years now.

You might say that ccp has not added that much content over the time, but they added many tools to create our own content in our little sandbox. If you were playing eve for 4 years and still do not get that ccp merely provides us with the tools to forge our own destiny you will never understand what eve is about.

When i buy a game for 50-60 € i might have a game with lots of content, but I play that game for one weekend at max and then i am done with it. In EvE there are so many things you can do if you are open minded and creative and do not wait for the developer to tell you what to do that you can spend many years in EvE.

Again... EvE for me is special because we as players can create our own content and not in a way that other games like Star Trek Online give you the chance to do it (creating your own PvE missions and stuff like that).

No.. we create our own content by building up empires or tearing them down and ccp gives us new tools to do that on a regular basis. If you need someone to write a storyline for you to follow then EvE never was the right game for you and if it took you 4 years to figure that out i feel sorry for you.


Let me translate that for you: If you're not having fun in a sandbox, It's not the sand's fault.

I don't know who invented that saying, but he should get a noble prize imo.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#71 - 2012-08-24 16:05:29 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
arcca jeth wrote:
EVE, I can play until I pass out at the keyboard. That's not something I get out of the other games.


Another feature you don't get out of the other games is that you can pass out, wake up 20 minutes later and still see the ship happily grinding whatever you were doing before Twisted


lol i don't like nodding off in hostile space while farming! too risky Cry
But I'm sure the SOV owners of the space I farm are foaming at the teeth to catch me snoozin
Kirin Intarca
Lezaruss Industrial Systems
#72 - 2012-08-24 17:39:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirin Intarca
Darth Schweinebacke wrote:
If EvE would be like other games out there I surely would have stopped playing the game a long time ago instead of still sticking to it after almost 9 years now.

You might say that ccp has not added that much content over the time, but they added many tools to create our own content in our little sandbox....

... In EvE there are so many things you can do if you are open minded and creative and do not wait for the developer to tell you what to do that you can spend many years in EvE.

Again... EvE for me is special because we as players can create our own content and not in a way that other games like Star Trek Online give you the chance to do it (creating your own PvE missions and stuff like that). No.. we create our own content by building up empires or tearing them down and ccp gives us new tools to do that on a regular basis. ...


I removed the obvious things as the OP knows that EvE is not a content driven game. So I'll give her the benefit of the dooubt and assume that she has realized that in 4 years. She seems intelligent enough.

Now to my point:
EvE is just that, a plaer driven game. New expansions and PvE Contect is not the focus of the game, nor should it be. Grinding NPC standings, Grinding for LP. Those are some of the only "grinds" that you should ever have to do. Out in Null you can make isk rather easily by simply running one complex and picking up some faction loot. So Isk is not a grind, If you have to grind for isk, you are missing some of the most fun parts of the game. Planetary Interation is an easy, low SP required, sustainable income, and can support a Plex a Month with general ease.

But the larger point is, Players create the content. If you do not want to play any kind of PvP then you will burn out on EvE eventually. PvE is not how to play EvE. It isn't advertised as a PvE game such as WoW. It does not have a story driven quest line (exceptions being Epic Lines and a few missions here and there) Take for example, GOONS and NCDOT are at each other's throats (last I heard) That is an EPIC story in EvE two of the oldest alliances are going to wreak havoc across the galaxy. The really need to chronical this war and it will eventually become legend like the old Jovian Empire. THAT is what EvE is about. The players making thier game what they want it to be. Lone Wolf Pilot - striving to scrape a living on the mistakes of others, or mega alliances controlling entire segments of space, or a reclusive corperation, slinking out of a WH for a much needed supply run.

The life you can live in EvE is an ultimate escape from reality, that is why players can pass out at a keyboard, and that is why players will stick aroud for years and years. I am a short timer comparatively, I've only been playing a little over a year. I am still discovering. But already I am a CEO of a nice size corp of really fun people to be around. I have made friends, RL friends from an online game. My RL friends now play EvE (RL recruiting FTW). And, the experiance is just what I expected from a sandbox MMO, Play with players and make your own adventures. The "lack" of PvE depth is not what the game is even meant for, no Sandbox game is, For Example: Star Wars Galaxies, awesome sandbox until Sony Online Entertainment wanted a "story driven player experiance" to compete with WoW. What happened? he game changed so drasticly for the worse, they they lost about 60% of thier subs in three days. and 90% within 3 months. I had inveseted 5 years into that game.

EvE is unique, it is mouldable, by the players, If you dont want an enemy neighbor... then blow them up, or move. There is nothing you can't do in this game. And DUST 514... MUWAH HA HA, I see very evil, and fun times ahead, and a lot of broken PS3 controlers when a dread in orbit strikes a hired merc platoon. Oh I can see the red faces now..... fun times.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-08-24 17:50:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Planck
Kirin Intarca wrote:
wall of text


You know, if you squint really hard you can see a 3D image of a schooner pop out

Edit: damnit, you put some paragraphs in there

Also, to add to your point you are 100% correct about the content, and those before you speaking of tools to create such content. I have a whopper of a story that I tell to friends about a really excellent corp theft, the story takes about 20 minutes just hitting the good parts. The corp theft only happened because of the mechanics necessary to live in a wormhole.

Nearly everyone I have told likes the story, whether or not they play eve. You should try that with the diablo storyline on some relatives.

Last night i had a fun conversation breaking down the intricacies of an extremely tactical 1v1 i had with a formidable opponent. Also great content. Completely player driven.

I has all the eve inactivity
Josef Djugashvilis
#74 - 2012-08-24 18:34:27 UTC
Telegram Sam wrote:
The Jukebox is a good improvement from EVE of 4 years ago. Used to you could only play the EVE soundtrack stuff. Mine's currently playing old Lightnin' Hopkins Texas blues. Doesn't match wormhole ambience at all. Smile


You sir, are a man of impeccable musical taste.

This is not a signature.
Josef Djugashvilis
#75 - 2012-08-24 18:41:42 UTC
I have been playing since early 2007.

Am I the only 'older' player who still pays by annual subscription?

I would rather pay cash, so that I can afford to lose more isk in pvp.

This is not a signature.
Kamuria
Space Makers
#76 - 2012-08-24 21:12:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Kamuria
Kirin Intarca wrote:
Darth Schweinebacke wrote:
If EvE would be like other games out there I surely would have stopped playing the game a long time ago instead of still sticking to it after almost 9 years now.

You might say that ccp has not added that much content over the time, but they added many tools to create our own content in our little sandbox....

... In EvE there are so many things you can do if you are open minded and creative and do not wait for the developer to tell you what to do that you can spend many years in EvE.

Again... EvE for me is special because we as players can create our own content and not in a way that other games like Star Trek Online give you the chance to do it (creating your own PvE missions and stuff like that). No.. we create our own content by building up empires or tearing them down and ccp gives us new tools to do that on a regular basis. ...


I removed the obvious things as the OP knows that EvE is not a content driven game. So I'll give her the benefit of the dooubt and assume that she has realized that in 4 years. She seems intelligent enough.

Now to my point:
EvE is just that, a plaer driven game. New expansions and PvE Contect is not the focus of the game, nor should it be. Grinding NPC standings, Grinding for LP. Those are some of the only "grinds" that you should ever have to do. Out in Null you can make isk rather easily by simply running one complex and picking up some faction loot. So Isk is not a grind, If you have to grind for isk, you are missing some of the most fun parts of the game. Planetary Interation is an easy, low SP required, sustainable income, and can support a Plex a Month with general ease.

But the larger point is, Players create the content. If you do not want to play any kind of PvP then you will burn out on EvE eventually. PvE is not how to play EvE. It isn't advertised as a PvE game such as WoW. It does not have a story driven quest line (exceptions being Epic Lines and a few missions here and there) Take for example, GOONS and NCDOT are at each other's throats (last I heard) That is an EPIC story in EvE two of the oldest alliances are going to wreak havoc across the galaxy. The really need to chronical this war and it will eventually become legend like the old Jovian Empire. THAT is what EvE is about. The players making thier game what they want it to be. Lone Wolf Pilot - striving to scrape a living on the mistakes of others, or mega alliances controlling entire segments of space, or a reclusive corperation, slinking out of a WH for a much needed supply run.
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While I fully understand that Eve is a PVP game, the isk faucet is PVE, so the financial core of the game is PVE. Every isk you see in this game comes from PVE content. Read this blog from Jester http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/2012/08/no-problem.html. When CCP takes out the ATM machine that is moon mining, I hope they have a solution around the corner to make PVE more enjoyable. Not because EVE needs to be a PVE game, but because people will rely way more on active PVE (as opposed to ATM PVE) to finance their activities. Kinda wish they did something about it in the last 4 years huh !?
LilRemmy
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2012-08-24 21:35:01 UTC
you will take a break, for good reasons, hopefully CCP will work harder on new fun and exciting content and keep improving on their sandbox, then you come back.

Just remember one thing, keep training skills Blink