Science & Industry

In general, the problem with nullsec mining being terrible is that it doesn't give an incentive for industrial types to move to null. The existing residents of null (i.e. us) don't give a damn because no one mines unless they're at least quad-boxing and the rest of us have all gotten used to doing something other than mining for income. Mining has already been terrible for the last few years--mainly due to the old drone mechanics, ease of botting, and t1 loot drops. This isn't a "waaaah I'm not making enough cash" problem; it is a "this is a bad setup for the game in the long-term" problem.


No one was misled--you were just wrong and smug about it because you are a moron.

I tend to disagree with you on most things. But I liked your post because I actually agree with you on this one.

You're right you shouldn't have to adapt or change anything it's all those damned highsec miners that should have to change!!! Keep up the good fight for non adaptive game play!

Me as well!

Every Hulkageddon we read 12 million times: "Go to 0.0 for mining. It's more safe and easier than HiSec". And they are absolutely right with this! And now that a lot miners moved to 0.0 they cry about their own caused oversupply

Why should we have to adapt when we can whine on the forums and eventually CCP will change something so our incompetence can continue unhindered :smith:.

I think part of the reason this imbalance occurs is there is not enough of certain minerals in the rocks in hi sec, there is in effect an infinite amount of ore in null sec as long as you cycle the grav sites, in hi sec you can easily pop all the scordite in a belt with one covetor in a small amount of time. THis means the there is a shortfall in total, since pyer is to bulky to ship out of null it does not help. There is also very litle scordite in missions, and no hi sec anomolies with scordite in it.

If there was a way to mine the scordite in low sec it may balance, but everyone knows that is not a long term economically viable way to make isk.

Basically if scordite was more available in hi sec, more would be mined, the pyer price would drop and most likley all other minerals would rise since pyer would lose its semi bottleneck position.
Allso, scord can be painful to mine (pops in 1 1/2 cycles) is spread out and generally not as avaialble especially in areas safe from can flipping. So even scodite is actually the sometimes 2-4th best rock per m3 it may actually yeild lower isk/hr due to incoveniance.

how to mine and move minerals on the cheep and fast in 0.0.

MINE MINE MINE MINE

put up pos with ammo build arry and make bombs

move bombs to empire

what you dont like a 16 to 1 compression ratio that use almost 10 x more minerals than a railgun ?, sure its not as good as the 20 to 1 ratio of rail guns but on the flip side it takes alot less time to fill a jf or seven, at max produktion of 1 bpo it takes you 30 hours to fill a jf, can you tell me the same with one railgun bpo ?

lets use the risk vrs reward

null=0 risk due to blue firewalls
HS=Max risk due to dbaggery and splendid L33T pvp

so working as intended move on

I believe that I covered this before, but I will reiterate:

Once upon a time nullsec was new and vibrant. There were incredible riches in rare, hard to find minerals there that simply could not be found elsewhere. It was risky, because of the high tier rats and the potential for pirates, but that was all part of the whole "risk versus reward" thing that CCP is so big on.

Then ... players happened!

Nullsec was eventually conquered de facto in it's entirety even before sovereignty rules came into play. Today nullsec is saturated with massive fleets of Alliance mining bots running Alliance mining ships in Alliance ownded nullsec effectively at zero risk. Well, so long as you're in the particular Alliance controlling that particular patch of space, but that is irrelevant to the market.

The result of this is a massive saturation of high-end minerals. When a market becomes saturated the price drops. Formerly expensive minerals start becoming cheaper. Add in jump freighters and the cheapness spreads from nullsec back to hisec in the blink of an eye, because hisec is where you go to sell these ores. After all, nobody is going to come buy them in your Alliance space because, oh yeah, NBSI. If you want to sell morphite you have to move it back into Empire space. So you do. And so does everyone else who's cranking out the morphite. Price keeps dropping.

There is a term for this phenomenon, by the way, it's called "Risk vs Reward." Player Alliances eliminated all the risks and then acted shocked - shocked I tell you! - when the rewards started dropping as well.

Meanwhile... over in hisec...

Ganking has become the EvE national past-time even without Goon payoffs. Thus the amount of low-end ores on the market goes up down and the price goes up. Why? Risk vs Reward, kiddies! See how well that works out? Since hisec miners generally are not in gigantic multi-account using alliances running sixteen Hulks at once with macro-bots all day and night, the output of this anarchistic group of random independent miners doesn't even begin to compare to the sheer industrial might of the Alliance bot-fleets. So guess what happens when the player's collective harvesting of Megacyte starts to outstrip their harvesting of frakking Veldspar?

It all very simple: Risk vs Reward is still alive and well. The problem is that the players - not CCP, but the players themselves - have, through their own actions & gameplay, changed where the greater risk actually is. The reward part is simply starting to catch up.