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Turk Fezzik
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
#1 - 2012-08-16 18:18:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Turk Fezzik
I was listening to PODSIDE on the road this morning and I heard Jade say he's just about got Outpost Construction V trained. That got me to thinking why anyone would spend 60 days getting that skill to five. As far as I can tell level five just unlocks the advanced outpost upgrades. Does anyone even bother upgrading their outposts that high? Is there any value in getting this to level V?
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#2 - 2012-08-16 18:40:55 UTC
Perhaps he does indeed wish to have that capability, to gain an edge over the rest of the EVE-verse that believes it is a waste of 60 days.

Or...perhaps simply because he can, and decided 'why the hell not'? This is EVE, after all. People have done some very peculiar things before.
Turk Fezzik
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
#3 - 2012-08-16 20:53:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Turk Fezzik
CorInaXeraL wrote:
Perhaps he does indeed wish to have that capability, to gain an edge over the rest of the EVE-verse that believes it is a waste of 60 days.

Or...perhaps simply because he can, and decided 'why the hell not'? This is EVE, after all. People have done some very peculiar things before.


I wasn't asking for speculation into Jade's motivations. Can we please stick to the questions at hand?


  • Does anyone even bother upgrading their outposts that high?
  • Is there any (other) value in getting this to level V?
Mia Restolo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-08-17 14:20:12 UTC
Turk Fezzik wrote:
That got me to thinking why anyone would spend 60 days getting that skill to five.



Highlighting the part where you asked what his motivation might be... being a jerk to non-trolls who try to answer your questions isn't going to get you much help.
Turk Fezzik
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
#5 - 2012-08-17 17:19:05 UTC
Mia Restolo wrote:
Turk Fezzik wrote:
That got me to thinking why anyone would spend 60 days getting that skill to five.



Highlighting the part where you asked what his motivation might be... being a jerk to non-trolls who try to answer your questions isn't going to get you much help.


Wasn't being a jerk. Just trying to keep the thread on topic.

Also, I realize that reading comprehension might not be your strong suit but what you quoted is a statement not a question. (Now I'm being a jerk)
Stefanie Villa
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-08-17 18:10:55 UTC
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Turk the Jerk
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#7 - 2012-08-21 13:44:20 UTC
Turk Fezzik wrote:
[quote=Mia Restolo]

Wasn't being a jerk. Just trying to keep the thread on topic.

Also, I realize that reading comprehension might not be your strong suit but what you quoted is a statement not a question. (Now I'm being a jerk)



Yes you were being a jerk.

Yes you are being a jerk.

Even if they misunderstood your post and it wasn't your fault they were trying to help.

Unlike me, who isn't trying to help answer your question, but I am trying to help you understand what manners are.

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Marsan
#8 - 2012-08-21 16:29:18 UTC
Turk Fezzik wrote:
I was listening to PODSIDE on the road this morning and I heard Jade say he's just about got Outpost Construction V trained. That got me to thinking why anyone would spend 60 days getting that skill to five. As far as I can tell level five just unlocks the advanced outpost upgrades. Does anyone even bother upgrading their outposts that high? Is there any value in getting this to level V?


There is near zero value in it, but once your character has been around for about 5 years or so there really isn't anything worth training. You can fly everything you want to, have perfect supporting skills for your ship/weapons, and so on. At that point you start doing pointless things like training Outpost Construction V, or getting all the certs....

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2012-08-21 17:36:01 UTC
I think it may cost as much to upgrade the outpost to a monument upgrade platform, as it does to build a new outpost.
Turk Fezzik
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
#10 - 2012-08-21 17:50:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Turk Fezzik
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I think it may cost as much to upgrade the outpost to a monument upgrade platform, as it does to build a new outpost.


Thanks Tau and Marsan for actually sharing something valuable!

That's kinda what I thought. Why drop advanced upgrades when you can drop another outpost next door? I'm wondering if the new POS stuff planned for winter 2013 is going to leverage this skill in some way... As it stands now I don't see any reason to go above level 3 with it.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2012-08-21 22:04:53 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I think it may cost as much to upgrade the outpost to a monument upgrade platform, as it does to build a new outpost.
Hmm... I didn't think to check EVE-Central until now. They are cheaper than I thought at 14.4b which I think is about half the cost of an outpost, but that's just the platform, the upgrades are extra.
Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-08-23 18:06:56 UTC
Going for the Minmatarr Advanced Refinery Platform, you can get your null-sec refinery to 50%. This makes your outpost as efficient as the best high sec stations. Sure, it will cost a total fortune to make it, but if you are into building massive amounts of stuff (capital ship fleets for example), this quickly becomes worth the cost. 60 days for the skill? You only need 1 person to with that skill in your alliance.

Going for the Gallente Advanced Factory Platform, you can cut production time on capital ship components by 60%. Who might benefit from being able to build capitals much faster?

You can only have 1 outpost per system. An outpost runs about 25B. All the upgrades (since you have to build the first platform upgrade in order to build the second platform upgrade, etc) plus the advanced refinery/factory runs about another 30B to build. Very expensive, costs about the same as a single titan, but when you're building fleets of dreads, titans and super carriers, they will pay for themselves.
Turk Fezzik
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
#13 - 2012-08-23 21:11:04 UTC
Huttan Funaila wrote:
Going for the Minmatarr Advanced Refinery Platform, you can get your null-sec refinery to 50%. ...snip...


True, however, a 30 million ISK implant achieves the same result. Even without the implant you can get 99.5% yield from the standard 40% refinery. A 0.5% yield increase hardly justifies the cost of the upgrade.

Huttan Funaila wrote:
Going for the Gallente Advanced Factory Platform, you can cut production time on capital ship components by 60%. Who might benefit from being able to build capitals much faster?


You may be on to something here. I wouldn't know because I don't have access to a factory outpost and do all my building at a POS. Does the upgraded outpost build faster than a POS?
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#14 - 2012-08-23 22:02:10 UTC
Trained Cap ship production to V on my indy alt, even though I have no intention or current ability of building supers. It was more there was nothing else I really wanted to train, so put the longest skill I could find.

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Huttan Funaila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-08-23 23:37:01 UTC
According to the stats, the Gallente upgraded outpost factory should be building capital components in 40% of the time, compared with 75% for component assembly array. I haven't personally tried it yet as I don't have the billion needed per cap BPO. And I don't know of any Gallente outposts in my neck of the woods (there are only Amarr and Minmatarr that I've seen so far).

The base refining for the Minmatar outpost is 35%. For all the other outposts, refining is an upgrade, with the tier 1 upgrade refining at 10%.
Turk Fezzik
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
#16 - 2012-08-24 00:05:22 UTC
I guess there are some advantages to the advanced upgrades. In my opinion though the bonuses aren't really worth the cost. If I was building supers and was in an alliance that allowed me to manage my own outpost I might invest in Outpost Construction V. Otherwise, meh... Lol
RaTTuS
BIG
#17 - 2012-08-24 11:54:44 UTC
http://eveboard.com/search/advanced/
says there are 39 character with it at level 5

http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png http://i.imgur.com/kYLoKrM.png

Turk Fezzik
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
#18 - 2012-08-24 15:20:47 UTC
RaTTuS wrote:
http://eveboard.com/search/advanced/
says there are 39 character with it at level 5


That's cool I didn't know you can do that.
Asklepiodes
Bre-X Heavy Industries
#19 - 2012-08-30 12:37:09 UTC
I think you'd be surprised how many people have that skill - I know two players that have actively made use of that skill but aren't on that list.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-09-01 08:18:47 UTC
Turk Fezzik wrote:
Even without the implant you can get 99.5% yield from the standard 40% refinery. A 0.5% yield increase hardly justifies the cost of the upgrade.


Huttan Funaila wrote:
The base refining for the Minmatar outpost is 35%. For all the other outposts, refining is an upgrade, with the tier 1 upgrade refining at 10%.


Huh? 40% standard refinery? I thought 50% was the standard in high sec, and 35% was the standard outpost refinery.

I knew the Minmatar comes standard with a 35% refinery, and the other outposts can't refine until upgraded, but I thought that was just 1 upgrade option, a 35% refinery - what is this 10% upgrade, and 40$ standard business?
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