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I guess Amarr FW is dead, any takers with balls?
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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2012-08-22 22:33:56 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Faction Warfare, where the LP store is an ISK faucet and PVP is an ISK sink.

Wrong. The LP store is an ISK sink, and PVP is an ISK faucet.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#122 - 2012-08-22 23:47:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
Lord Zim wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Faction Warfare, where the LP store is an ISK faucet and PVP is an ISK sink.

Wrong. The LP store is an ISK sink, and PVP is an ISK faucet.


the sink at tier 5 is basically negligible. All it does is to increase the value of an item out of (almost) nothing

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#123 - 2012-08-23 01:54:23 UTC
Cearain wrote:


My experience with the amarr militia was not the same as yours. But then I dont talk in militia chat very much.

Anyway what the minmatar do is what is most important to me. Because whether or not they are online decides whether I get fights. I don't have allot of complaints in that department so I am glad my corp is staying here.


Getting fights wasn't really the issue, and to be quite honest, I don't think I've ever engaged in a single conversation in Militia chat operating even in a realm remotely close to informative or helpful. Amarr Militia chat was literally the Special Olympics of Bads going out of the way to feel special by arguing the finer points of split weapon system Cormorants and how to not **** fit thrashers.

Met quite a few decent Minmatar folks, and had good times in comms with a few (Vordak, Trans, The ALWAYS Happy Ninlarr, and Poetic)- getting fights wasn't the issue; the quality of life for newbro's was rough. They just didn't have the same ISK making oppurtunities, not to mention a half-assed warzone and even at t4 with 3 months of accumulated loyalty points a sub-par LP store.

After we cashed out and whored on some cap kills, we just had absolutely no incentive to stay. It was good times, but were back to thriving under the Caldari Banner. Fweddit will probably make skirmishes into Minmatar Space, and we still have an office quite full of ships out there so it's only a matter of time before we go back and welp gloriously.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#124 - 2012-08-23 02:01:58 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Cearain wrote:


My experience with the amarr militia was not the same as yours. But then I dont talk in militia chat very much.

Anyway what the minmatar do is what is most important to me. Because whether or not they are online decides whether I get fights. I don't have allot of complaints in that department so I am glad my corp is staying here.


Getting fights wasn't really the issue, and to be quite honest, I don't think I've ever engaged in a single conversation in Militia chat operating even in a realm remotely close to informative or helpful. Amarr Militia chat was literally the Special Olympics of Bads going out of the way to feel special by arguing the finer points of split weapon system Cormorants and how to not **** fit thrashers.

Met quite a few decent Minmatar folks, and had good times in comms with a few (Vordak, Trans, The ALWAYS Happy Ninlarr, and Poetic)- getting fights wasn't the issue; the quality of life for newbro's was rough. They just didn't have the same ISK making oppurtunities, not to mention a half-assed warzone and even at t4 with 3 months of accumulated loyalty points a sub-par LP store.

After we cashed out and whored on some cap kills, we just had absolutely no incentive to stay. It was good times, but were back to thriving under the Caldari Banner. Fweddit will probably make skirmishes into Minmatar Space, and we still have an office quite full of ships out there so it's only a matter of time before we go back and welp gloriously.


Could also just live in Min space for fights and be in CalMil for the LP from Plexes. vOv

Also, hi Xolve. <3

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#125 - 2012-08-23 02:24:05 UTC
Xolve wrote:
stuff


Was pally with and credulous of the enemy from day zero. Was suspicious of and confrontational (to really absurd degrees) with allies from day zero. Sets them red, makes up absolutely ridiculous **** whole cloth about them, spies on them, emo-trips about how "it's about respect", blabbity blah, threatens to have TEST mains destroy them, and so on ad nauseum. ***** continuously on Militia chat, to the tune of their members all spamming the same thing for hours.

And then, time passes.

'Inexplicably', still has a good impression of enemy but is just shaking his head over how ungrateful former allies were.

This is the short story: FWeddit descended from the heavens expecting daily ****-suckings from a grateful and fearful militia on its knees. Alas, they only got a warm-to-normal welcome. Occasionally they'd get the kind of grief anyone does. Occasionally people would dare to go along with their self-deprecating propaganda and say unforgivable things.

I seriously pity the Caldari for having you. I seriously pity your newbies for soaking in your culture.

--- woah, woah, wait! What am I saying?? Forget all of that. Read this:

Thank you so much for leaving Amarr. Personally, me to you. You're a cool guy. I forgive you for everything. I hope you find it in you to forgive the lowly and pathetic Caldari for their occasional failures to understand that any self-deprecation from your members is just a "pretend-to-be-Goons" cultural strategy that they wouldn't understand. They may stop sucking your **** from time to time, but I'm sure you're even better at that than they are, so please be the bigger man.

So please don't come back. We're just not worthy. I mean, I rejoined a few days after I heard you left, so now we're even less worthy :-(
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#126 - 2012-08-23 03:12:28 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
Xolve wrote:
stuff


Was pally with and credulous of the enemy from day zero. Was suspicious of and confrontational (to really absurd degrees) with allies from day zero. Sets them red, makes up absolutely ridiculous **** whole cloth about them, spies on them, emo-trips about how "it's about respect", blabbity blah, threatens to have TEST mains destroy them, and so on ad nauseum. ***** continuously on Militia chat, to the tune of their members all spamming the same thing for hours.

And then, time passes.

'Inexplicably', still has a good impression of enemy but is just shaking his head over how ungrateful former allies were.

This is the short story: FWeddit descended from the heavens expecting daily ****-suckings from a grateful and fearful militia on its knees. Alas, they only got a warm-to-normal welcome. Occasionally they'd get the kind of grief anyone does. Occasionally people would dare to go along with their self-deprecating propaganda and say unforgivable things.

I seriously pity the Caldari for having you. I seriously pity your newbies for soaking in your culture.

--- woah, woah, wait! What am I saying?? Forget all of that. Read this:

Thank you so much for leaving Amarr. Personally, me to you. You're a cool guy. I forgive you for everything. I hope you find it in you to forgive the lowly and pathetic Caldari for their occasional failures to understand that any self-deprecation from your members is just a "pretend-to-be-Goons" cultural strategy that they wouldn't understand. They may stop sucking your **** from time to time, but I'm sure you're even better at that than they are, so please be the bigger man.

So please don't come back. We're just not worthy. I mean, I rejoined a few days after I heard you left, so now we're even less worthy :-(


You're the ex-Amarrian Retribution guy right? Man, I remember when ARETR used to have some class and good pilots. Good old days, eh?

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#127 - 2012-08-23 03:18:22 UTC
well seems the amarr is having issues. perhaps those corps need some pew pew experience. come out to 0.0 with me and i teach you.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#128 - 2012-08-23 03:34:10 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Cearain wrote:


My experience with the amarr militia was not the same as yours. But then I dont talk in militia chat very much.

Anyway what the minmatar do is what is most important to me. Because whether or not they are online decides whether I get fights. I don't have allot of complaints in that department so I am glad my corp is staying here.


Getting fights wasn't really the issue, and to be quite honest, I don't think I've ever engaged in a single conversation in Militia chat operating even in a realm remotely close to informative or helpful. Amarr Militia chat was literally the Special Olympics of Bads going out of the way to feel special by arguing the finer points of split weapon system Cormorants and how to not **** fit thrashers.

Met quite a few decent Minmatar folks, and had good times in comms with a few (Vordak, Trans, The ALWAYS Happy Ninlarr, and Poetic)- getting fights wasn't the issue; the quality of life for newbro's was rough. They just didn't have the same ISK making oppurtunities, not to mention a half-assed warzone and even at t4 with 3 months of accumulated loyalty points a sub-par LP store.

After we cashed out and whored on some cap kills, we just had absolutely no incentive to stay. It was good times, but were back to thriving under the Caldari Banner. Fweddit will probably make skirmishes into Minmatar Space, and we still have an office quite full of ships out there so it's only a matter of time before we go back and welp gloriously.



I'm sure the decision to move was done for different reasons for different people. Pinky Feldman said they were moving due to lack of fights.

Perhaps for allot in fweddit it was the lack of an ability to make isk. I completely agree that it is much harder for new players to keep up with pvp in fw than it is for older players who likely have multiple incomes sources.

I agree that the minmatar are a decent bunch. I think we tend not to take it so seriously as the caldari/gallente, but really I don't have much experience there other than what i see on the forums.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#129 - 2012-08-23 07:40:56 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Faction Warfare, where the LP store is an ISK faucet and PVP is an ISK sink.

Wrong. The LP store is an ISK sink, and PVP is an ISK faucet.


Sorry I was just trying to sarcastically highlight what other people have been seriously posting in here
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#130 - 2012-08-23 07:52:00 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Faction Warfare, where the LP store is an ISK faucet and PVP is an ISK sink.

Wrong. The LP store is an ISK sink, and PVP is an ISK faucet.


Sorry I was just trying to sarcastically highlight what other people have been seriously posting in here


What, was that a serious criticism? You're just playing with words. If the context of the amount of isk in the game, and monetary inflation and deflation, and places where isk is created out of thin air vs. destroyed -- i.e., a whole lot of **** that's not relevant to the conversation, then yes, LP stores are isk sinks (they destroy isk, and merely create 'stuff', which we are never unhappy to have more of in any economy) and PVP is an isk faucet (insurance creates isk, and the lost modules are merely lost stuff). If you want to talk about anybody's wallet, and anybody's ability to finance pvp, then the LP store is just one of many ways to acquire isk and pvp is a major way to lose it.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2012-08-23 07:59:55 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
If you want to talk about anybody's wallet, and anybody's ability to finance pvp, then the LP store is just one of many ways to acquire isk and pvp is a major way to lose it.

Then you can call it an isk fountain, not a faucet.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Dan Carter Murray
#132 - 2012-08-23 09:44:25 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Kuehnelt wrote:
Xolve wrote:
stuff


Was pally with and credulous of the enemy from day zero. Was suspicious of and confrontational (to really absurd degrees) with allies from day zero. Sets them red, makes up absolutely ridiculous **** whole cloth about them, spies on them, emo-trips about how "it's about respect", blabbity blah, threatens to have TEST mains destroy them, and so on ad nauseum. ***** continuously on Militia chat, to the tune of their members all spamming the same thing for hours.

And then, time passes.

'Inexplicably', still has a good impression of enemy but is just shaking his head over how ungrateful former allies were.

This is the short story: FWeddit descended from the heavens expecting daily ****-suckings from a grateful and fearful militia on its knees. Alas, they only got a warm-to-normal welcome. Occasionally they'd get the kind of grief anyone does. Occasionally people would dare to go along with their self-deprecating propaganda and say unforgivable things.

I seriously pity the Caldari for having you. I seriously pity your newbies for soaking in your culture.

--- woah, woah, wait! What am I saying?? Forget all of that. Read this:

Thank you so much for leaving Amarr. Personally, me to you. You're a cool guy. I forgive you for everything. I hope you find it in you to forgive the lowly and pathetic Caldari for their occasional failures to understand that any self-deprecation from your members is just a "pretend-to-be-Goons" cultural strategy that they wouldn't understand. They may stop sucking your **** from time to time, but I'm sure you're even better at that than they are, so please be the bigger man.

So please don't come back. We're just not worthy. I mean, I rejoined a few days after I heard you left, so now we're even less worthy :-(


You're the ex-Amarrian Retribution guy right? Man, I remember when ARETR used to have some class and good pilots. Good old days, eh?


You must be that late night alliance guy. Man, I remember when minmatar had class and good pilots. Wait...never mind. Obviously still the same dipshit crackheads as always who can't fight without blobbing out the sun. Get the **** over yourself.

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Dan Carter Murray
#133 - 2012-08-23 09:46:58 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
well seems the amarr is having issues. perhaps those corps need some pew pew experience. come out to 0.0 with me and i teach you.


Or you can crawl out from the ******* rock you blow yourself under and show the amarr how easy it is. Go ahead. Go to minmatar space. Show the eve universe over and over again what you know about pvp.

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-08-23 18:54:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Kuehnelt wrote:

Was pally with and credulous of the enemy from day zero. Was suspicious of and confrontational (to really absurd degrees) with allies from day zero. Sets them red, makes up absolutely ridiculous **** whole cloth about them, spies on them, emo-trips about how "it's about respect", blabbity blah, threatens to have TEST mains destroy them, and so on ad nauseum. ***** continuously on Militia chat, to the tune of their members all spamming the same thing for hours.


I'm not in FW to demonize the **** out of the people on the opposing faction, we are looking for the same thing- you know, to kill each other. You're entire organization was full of elitist try hards that accomplished very little outside of elite forum/blog pvp; the only thing you did better than forum warrior was whine about how unfair it is for the Amarr Militia blah blah blah...

I, at the time (before 7th fleet ran off) was a TEST main and never threatened anyone in FW with TEST intervention. I did however refuse to cooperate with 7th fleet because we were fundamentally different; as our culture was based around having fun and hazing nerds- yours was about being risk averse carebears with daily ship spinning contests.

Also- Militia chat is a cesspool. Take your roleplaying somewhere else scrub.

Kuehnelt wrote:

'Inexplicably', still has a good impression of enemy but is just shaking his head over how ungrateful former allies were.


I wasn't ungrateful for you- the best times in Amarr FW were after your little troop of bitter and mad left, and went to Caldari. There were previously unseen levels of cooperation and coordination among the remaining militia, to not only OPLEX but DPLEX, capture systems, and eventually push for t4 warzone control.

Our little 'shitfit t1 thrashers' will never accomplish anything though- right?

Kuehnelt wrote:

This is the short story: FWeddit descended from the heavens expecting daily ****-suckings from a grateful and fearful militia on its knees. Alas, they only got a warm-to-normal welcome. Occasionally they'd get the kind of grief anyone does. Occasionally people would dare to go along with their self-deprecating propaganda and say unforgivable things.

I seriously pity the Caldari for having you. I seriously pity your newbies for soaking in your culture.


Actually- we popped up from out of nowhere, comprised mainly of newbies and alts, and ventured forth to carve a name for ourselves, after literally three weeks of your alliance members telling us how we were doing everything wrong. We jointly said '**** You' and did our own thing (quite well at that).

The two 7th Fleet fleets my guys participated in were followed by random members getting frustrated, leaving, and coming back to our comms muttering "Never again... never ever, ever again".


Kuehnelt wrote:

Thank you so much for leaving Amarr. Personally, me to you. You're a cool guy. I forgive you for everything. I hope you find it in you to forgive the lowly and pathetic Caldari for their occasional failures to understand that any self-deprecation from your members is just a "pretend-to-be-Goons" cultural strategy that they wouldn't understand. They may stop sucking your **** from time to time, but I'm sure you're even better at that than they are, so please be the bigger man.

So please don't come back. We're just not worthy. I mean, I rejoined a few days after I heard you left, so now we're even less worthy :-(



Just more hurf blurf from some idiot that doesn't understand people want to log in and have fun.
Dan Carter Murray
#135 - 2012-08-23 20:14:31 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Kuehnelt wrote:

Was pally with and credulous of the enemy from day zero. Was suspicious of and confrontational (to really absurd degrees) with allies from day zero. Sets them red, makes up absolutely ridiculous **** whole cloth about them, spies on them, emo-trips about how "it's about respect", blabbity blah, threatens to have TEST mains destroy them, and so on ad nauseum. ***** continuously on Militia chat, to the tune of their members all spamming the same thing for hours.


I'm not in FW to demonize the **** out of the people on the opposing faction, we are looking for the same thing- you know, to kill each other. You're entire organization was full of elitist try hards that accomplished very little outside of elite forum/blog pvp; the only thing you did better than forum warrior was whine about how unfair it is for the Amarr Militia blah blah blah...

I, at the time (before 7th fleet ran off) was a TEST main never and threatened anyone in FW with TEST intervention. I did however refuse to cooperate with 7th fleet because we were fundamentally different; as our culture was based around having fun and hazing nerds- yours was about being risk averse carebears with daily ship spinning contests.

Also- Militia chat is a cesspool. Take your roleplaying somewhere else scrub.

Kuehnelt wrote:

'Inexplicably', still has a good impression of enemy but is just shaking his head over how ungrateful former allies were.


I wasn't ungrateful for you- the best times in Amarr FW were after your little troop of bitter and mad left, and went to Caldari. There were previously unseen levels of cooperation and coordination among the remaining militia, to not only OPLEX but DPLEX, capture systems, and eventually push for t4 warzone control.

Our little 'shitfit t1 thrashers' will never accomplish anything though- right?

Kuehnelt wrote:

This is the short story: FWeddit descended from the heavens expecting daily ****-suckings from a grateful and fearful militia on its knees. Alas, they only got a warm-to-normal welcome. Occasionally they'd get the kind of grief anyone does. Occasionally people would dare to go along with their self-deprecating propaganda and say unforgivable things.

I seriously pity the Caldari for having you. I seriously pity your newbies for soaking in your culture.


Actually- we popped up from out of nowhere, comprised mainly of newbies and alts, and ventured forth to carve a name for ourselves, after literally three weeks of your alliance members telling us how we were doing everything wrong. We jointly said '**** You' and did our own thing (quite well at that).

The two 7th Fleet fleets my guys participated in were followed by random members getting frustrated, leaving, and coming back to our comms muttering "Never again... never ever, ever again".


Kuehnelt wrote:

Thank you so much for leaving Amarr. Personally, me to you. You're a cool guy. I forgive you for everything. I hope you find it in you to forgive the lowly and pathetic Caldari for their occasional failures to understand that any self-deprecation from your members is just a "pretend-to-be-Goons" cultural strategy that they wouldn't understand. They may stop sucking your **** from time to time, but I'm sure you're even better at that than they are, so please be the bigger man.

So please don't come back. We're just not worthy. I mean, I rejoined a few days after I heard you left, so now we're even less worthy :-(



Just more hurf blurf from some idiot that doesn't understand people want to log in and have fun.


Now you're a good story teller. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Every single line in your post made me laugh. Fiction is funnier than truth and your post is hilarious. Bravo.

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-08-23 20:50:02 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:

Now you're a good story teller. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Every single line in your post made me laugh. Fiction is funnier than truth and your post is hilarious. Bravo.


Given that your entire alliance is chock full of bumbling idiots, this was precisely the reaction I expected of you. Never stop trying 7th Fleet, someone, somewhere will appreciate you.

Keep Searching! No not believing in yourself!
Dan Carter Murray
#137 - 2012-08-23 20:57:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Dan Carter Murray
Xolve wrote:
Dan Carter Murray wrote:

Now you're a good story teller. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Every single line in your post made me laugh. Fiction is funnier than truth and your post is hilarious. Bravo.


Given that my entire alliance is chock full of bumbling idiots, this was precisely the reaction I expected of you. Never stop trying Fweddit, no one, anywhere will appreciate you.

Keep Searching! No not believing in yourself!


fixed

oh and every time i hear that someone posts this in local i die laughing.

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Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#138 - 2012-08-23 21:04:01 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:

oh and every time i hear that someone posts this in local i die laughing.


I'm sure that all of us knew you were easily entertained.

Keep fighting the good fight, didn't want that Amarr Militia anyway right? It was just too... damn... hard.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#139 - 2012-08-23 21:21:31 UTC
I tried doing FW just as a solo pilot - long before the recent changes, but intel was always scarce because of the irrational (most of the time) paranoia.

Has it changed ?

.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#140 - 2012-08-23 21:23:02 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Faction Warfare, where the LP store is an ISK faucet and PVP is an ISK sink.

Wrong. The LP store is an ISK sink, and PVP is an ISK faucet.


Sorry I was just trying to sarcastically highlight what other people have been seriously posting in here


What, was that a serious criticism? You're just playing with words. If the context of the amount of isk in the game, and monetary inflation and deflation, and places where isk is created out of thin air vs. destroyed -- i.e., a whole lot of **** that's not relevant to the conversation, then yes, LP stores are isk sinks (they destroy isk, and merely create 'stuff', which we are never unhappy to have more of in any economy) and PVP is an isk faucet (insurance creates isk, and the lost modules are merely lost stuff). If you want to talk about anybody's wallet, and anybody's ability to finance pvp, then the LP store is just one of many ways to acquire isk and pvp is a major way to lose it.


Yes but those situations are transfers of ISK. The LP store gets other players to transfer ISK to you, PVP is the transfer of ISK from you to other people.

Calling the LP store a faucet / source and pvp a sink is still factually wrong.