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I have been SCAM

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Dalden V
Yellow Lounge Industries
#121 - 2012-08-23 11:30:58 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
anyone think of a decent reason to keep the margin trading skill?


It's a skill used by many traders as a way to make your ISK work harder because buy orders usually fill very slowly.

I don't think it's a broken skill, but maybe it should have some penalty attached if abused, like in real life trading.
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2012-08-23 11:33:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Rats
Implying Implications wrote:
You are dumb as hell.


And your an fkin idiot...

To the op, lots of scams in Eve, anyone can get caught out by them, learn from it and move on.



Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#123 - 2012-08-23 13:38:19 UTC
Yes it's a scam, no CCP aren't involved, think of it as an moderately priced lesson in the mechanics of an unregulated market and the depths of your own greed. You're only stupid if you fall for it more than once.

Margin trading is a useful skill if you're into trading, it allows traders to effectively use the contents of their wallet without having tons of dead isk lying around.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2012-08-23 15:56:55 UTC
Alfred Lim wrote:
Generals4 wrote:
You sir have fallen for the typical "Trade Margin" scam. And no CCP is not behind it.

CCP allows it because EVE is supposed to be a universe where pricks and a-holes feel at home.

If ccp really wanted to scam people they'd make isk disapear not allow people to rip each other off.




If CCP is not behind this, explain how a buy order was cancel when player not online?



margin trading and greedy people is how you got scammed.

google eve online margin trading scams and you will get your answer.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#125 - 2012-08-23 16:07:50 UTC
Rats wrote:
Implying Implications wrote:
You are dumb as hell.


And your an fkin idiot...

Tal



*you're

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?

Ginger Barbarella
#126 - 2012-08-23 16:09:30 UTC
Alfred Lim wrote:
To make that money, I had been playing 10 hrs a day for the last 3 weeks.



I see your FIRST problem here...

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Ginger Barbarella
#127 - 2012-08-23 16:16:23 UTC
Alfred Lim wrote:
You don't seems to understand I think. Yes I do know now that this is a Margin Scam, but the Margin scam uses the help of the Margin Skill to perform such scam. However, no true buyer would bother training that skill unless they want to false a buy order. Thus the Margin Skills should be know as Scam Skill instead. My point is that when CCP introduce this skill, they promote or assist scammer a new line of scamming. So they are responsible just like how I explain the robber and the police story, unless you didn't care to read it and just busy posting your insults.


And Ford Motor Company is responsible for a drunk getting behind the wheel of a Ford vehicle and killing someone else in an accident???

Your elevator doesn't go all the way to the top, does it?

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2012-08-23 16:22:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Rats
THE L0CK wrote:
Rats wrote:
Implying Implications wrote:
You are dumb as hell.


And your an fkin idiot...

Tal



*you're


Thanks lol that's always getting me Lol you sure you're not my boss in disguise ?

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk

Lysanne Reqetta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2012-08-23 16:27:27 UTC
I'd ask for your stuff but apparently you've already lost it. Oops.

Blatant alt posting? In my EVE? It's more likely than you think.

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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#130 - 2012-08-23 17:20:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
Alfred Lim wrote:
Really dumb stuff.

This is one of the funniest posts and dumbest people I think I've experienced since I started playing. I hope this guy never reproduces...

edit...

After reading more of his saga I think this guy is a complete ******. He needs to play something else...
Luke Visteen
#131 - 2012-08-23 17:24:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Luke Visteen
OP sounds like a random poster from Blizzard forums.

edit: I accidentally posted passwords to Pentagon.

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Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining and Salvage
#132 - 2012-08-23 19:12:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Toroup
Rats wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
Rats wrote:
Implying Implications wrote:
You are dumb as hell.


And your an fkin idiot...

Tal



*you're


Thanks lol that's always getting me Lol you sure you're not my boss in disguise ?


No, I am. You're fired.

Also, an is used prior to a work beginning with a vowel, not a constantant. For example, it's "you're fired because you're a fking idiot" not "you're fired because you're an fking idiot".

And you're still fired.
Dalden V
Yellow Lounge Industries
#133 - 2012-08-23 20:31:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Dalden V
Toroup wrote:

Also, an is used prior to a work beginning with a vowel, not a constantant.
And you're still fired.


Do you perhaps mean 'word' and 'consonant' ?
Anubis Star
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2012-08-23 20:36:42 UTC
lol, a nub
drunk asfck
Doomheim
#135 - 2012-08-23 21:22:47 UTC
Welcome to eve

good to see the fck wit filter still works lol
Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#136 - 2012-08-23 21:38:33 UTC
Alfred Lim wrote:
.Not even in real life such system exist.



I'll have to disagree with you there - EVE is wonderfully complex, but real-life financial scams are so much more complex they are far beyond anything anyone could do in EVE.

Sorry you got scammed, but CCP didn't do that.
Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#137 - 2012-08-23 22:02:19 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Alfred Lim wrote:
As I have stated, unless someone can explain to me how the order was cancel when the player is not online, then I would believe that CCP is not involve. And if it is due to margin, then again, the mechanics was was the sole purpose of scamming. How then CCP is not involve cos they create the mechanic in the 1st place.

...EVERY single person commenting here knows exactly what happened here, except you. I suspect the reason nobody has explained it to you is because there's a thread like this every other week and they are tired of ctrl+c ctrl+v the answer for the zillionth time.

Actually... maybe it's my turn. There is a skill called "Margin Trading" that allows you to put up buy orders in excess of what you actually have in your wallet. For people who have Tycoon 5 this is useful, because it can take months for an order to fill, and in the meantime you have all this isk doing nothing tied up in your orders. So if I have 305 orders out on one account and I'm buying large volumes of some material on the market in a dozen regions, I may only want 1/4 of what I have orders for, but I get a better price by pushing out the orders to more places, which allows me to get the volume I need faster. I am actually using the margin skill to buy stuff right now, because the volume is low all over new eden but I need a lot... so I can put large orders in on different regional markets to try and 1) get a better price and 2) fill the volume I require more quickly. I'm using it as it was intended to be used, and it's allowed me to move like a big trader despite the fact that I'm a little trader.

Some people use the Margin Skill in another way. They put in a minimum buy order of lets say 200,000 of something for 10x it's value on one character, and empty their wallet into another account. They use the other account to sell 200,000 of that same item for 5x its usual price. Then a chump comes along (in this case, you) and sees the disparity on the market. Thinking they will double their money in a minute, they buy the 200,000 units of that item and ignore the warning that it's 5x the going rate for that item, thinking they will just flip it. However, when they go to sell it the buy order disappears, because the account that put in that buy order doesn't have the ISK to pay you, so the order disappears and you just gave the scammer 4x his initial investment.

tl;dr; google harder. This scam happens every day.



OP - this is a concise and simple explanation of how the margin trading has a proper use in EVE and how scamming with it is possible. I hope you can see what happened and how CCP are not to blame.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#138 - 2012-08-23 23:35:33 UTC
Toroup wrote:
Rats wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
Rats wrote:
Implying Implications wrote:
You are dumb as hell.


And your an fkin idiot...

Tal



*you're


Thanks lol that's always getting me Lol you sure you're not my boss in disguise ?


No, I am. You're fired.

Also, an is used prior to a work beginning with a vowel, not a constantant. For example, it's "you're fired because you're a fking idiot" not "you're fired because you're an fking idiot".

And you're still fired.


Actually, it would depend on the pronunciation of "fking". If as "efking" or "effing" than "an" is acceptable. Just like you would say "an RPG" or "is there an 'r' in the word?"
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#139 - 2012-08-23 23:38:43 UTC
Now this thread is going somewhere. Who wants to do the advanced level and take a stab at the OP's grammar?

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?

Jim Era
#140 - 2012-08-23 23:41:01 UTC
this thread is lulz

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