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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#141 - 2012-08-23 18:11:14 UTC
Anslo wrote:

I'm sure advocacy doesn't include forcing your religion on other people, as I mentioned before and that you so conveniently didn't answer. Also evidence? Do you REMEMBER the Days of Darkness from their history? Look who's talking about lack fo evidence. Now you sound ******* stupid AND like a ******* hypocrite.


I had previously asked Anabella to provide evidence of Minmatars flocking to the Republic from the Federation. That is what I was referring to.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what primitves call the Day of Darkness? Maybe you you were so blinded with prejudicial rage that you just decided to lash out at me without actually realising what I was talking about?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#142 - 2012-08-23 18:26:59 UTC
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STATE PROTECTORATE LOGISTIC SUPPORT STATION
REPAIR DOCKS
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*Still holding wrench in mouth, turns around and looks with frustratiuon*

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*transmission terminated*

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Anslo
Scope Works
#143 - 2012-08-23 18:32:43 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Anslo wrote:

I'm sure advocacy doesn't include forcing your religion on other people, as I mentioned before and that you so conveniently didn't answer. Also evidence? Do you REMEMBER the Days of Darkness from their history? Look who's talking about lack fo evidence. Now you sound ******* stupid AND like a ******* hypocrite.


I had previously asked Anabella to provide evidence of Minmatars flocking to the Republic from the Federation. That is what I was referring to.

I'm not sure what that has to do with what primitves call the Day of Darkness? Maybe you you were so blinded with prejudicial rage that you just decided to lash out at me without actually realising what I was talking about?


Don't start with me on prejudicial rage preceded with your little primitives comment *******.

But sorry, I didn't notice you were talking about that. Your buddy Azdan has my blood boiling a little too high....but you're not helping it much either...whatever. Sorry.

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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#144 - 2012-08-23 18:36:00 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Tshusht eight a shec!

*transmission terminated*


Diana; I adore you more and more with every post.
Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#145 - 2012-08-23 19:06:23 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
Horak Thor wrote:

Wrong, they can ADVISE a person. a doctor can tell a person to take a certain medicine or they will die, that person can say no i wont take it. it is there choice.

You eliminate the option of personal choice from the equation, therefore abusing the basic human rights of us all.


Last I checked, advising a person is telling them what's good for them and what's not. Whether or not they choose to follow it is another matter entirely.

As for the elimination of personal choice, that's not entirely accurate. You still possess the ability to choose to listen or rebel and, as with all choices, you face the consequences of either choice. It never ceases to amaze me how people claim it is a basic human right to be free and yet all of us are slaves to something.


Sigh i thought you had some intellect about you, maybe you just like fancy words.

By enslaving the minmater you didnt advise you enforced. you didnt offer us the ability to follow your religion, as a doctor advising a patient would, you enslaved us and told us it was for our own good, if we told you we didnt want to follow your religion we were "corrected". Fact.

As for the personal choice blather, we did rebel and you attempted to stamp it out therefore you attempted to negate our right to free will.

Explain how this was not so if you can. and stop chatting complete and utter crap you sound like an idiot.

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Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#146 - 2012-08-23 19:11:21 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
Horak Thor wrote:

Funny what happens when an empire is ripped apart and it attempts to reform after a thousand years, you expect it to be smooth? i believe the deep seated damage you inflicted on my race is unknown even to you.

You look down upon us for a few riots? this republic is formed around a mixture of people born from different backgrounds, some are recently freed from slavery, others have been free for longer.

We havnt had thousands of years to stabilise the tribes, your holy "empire" saw to that.

There are also three tribes without elders, again we have you Amarr to thank for this, another glorious chapter in the long and rotten history of the Amarrian legacy.


I would humbly suggest that you start taking responsibility for your own failures. Blaming the Empire for the riots in your streets, the blatant violence against peaceful persons and the difficulties in securing centralized leadership will not help you grow and develop as a people, when you begin to take responsibility rather than defer the blame you will begin to overcome the obstacles facing you.

It doesn't take thousands of years to establish a centralized government and some measure of peace and unity between a people. It can take a few years no doubt, but certainly not thousands. You have those among your number suggesting that you do just that, focus on infrastructure and developing unity among yourselves but the majority of you seem more content to keep waging war and conflict, even you yourself seem more concerned with finding the next fight than actually assisting your people, this is based on your own words.

The Empire has no doubt had an effect on your people but it was your rebellion and now it's your Republic. Take pride in it and accept responsibility for its failures as readily as you accept credit for its successes.


So in its youth the amarr were not in a civil war with the khanid on athra? they didnt enslave countless worlds etc that were different and enforce the amarr's way upon them?

Unlike you amarrian the minmatar dont repress free will. we have a multitude of peoples with different religions, ways of life, tribal beliefs etc. yes this causes conflict especially since they are all so newly settled together.

What we do not do is stamp out this difference like you. this gives us great strength and weakness.

Im not saying it is the easiest way to live but it is right, when you see this fact you will be truly enligtened my ignorant friend.

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Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#147 - 2012-08-23 19:12:12 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Tshusht eight a shec!

*transmission terminated*


Diana; I adore you more and more with every post.

I cannot hold it back in longer.

Your hair: Why?!

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Anslo
Scope Works
#148 - 2012-08-23 19:13:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Horak Thor wrote:

So in its youth the amarr were not in a civil war with the khanid on athra? they didnt enslave countless worlds etc that were different and enforce the amarr's way upon them?

Unlike you amarrian the minmatar dont repress free will. we have a multitude of peoples with different religions, ways of life, tribal beliefs etc. yes this causes conflict especially since they are all so newly settled together.

What we do not do is stamp out this difference like you. this gives us great strength and weakness.

Im not saying it is the easiest way to live but it is right, when you see this fact you will be truly enligtened my ignorant friend.


Hell, it gave you people a thriving global culture before those jerks showed up.

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Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#149 - 2012-08-23 19:22:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Horak Thor
Rodj Blake wrote:
Random Amarrian religious nonsense


As for whatever it is you were saying in relation to my post (i read a bit then realized it was the generic amarrian crap so stopped reading).
You have yet to say anything to counter anything, whatsoever, i have said.

Please go away, look in a mirror, pull yourself together, pray a bit and come back with a fresh head on.

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Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#150 - 2012-08-23 19:42:10 UTC
Horak Thor wrote:
By enslaving the minmater you didnt advise you enforced. you didnt offer us the ability to follow your religion, as a doctor advising a patient would, you enslaved us and told us it was for our own good, if we told you we didnt want to follow your religion we were "corrected". Fact.


You are correct, we didn't offer you much choice in the matter. I do not deny that this was a misstep on our part as previously we always attempted to peacefully guide and shepherd if possible. Also, referring to the latter, rejection of the message of God does warrant conquest by the Reclaiming, yes. I have also never denied that.

Horak Thor wrote:
So in its youth the amarr were not in a civil war with the khanid on athra? they didnt enslave countless worlds etc that were different and enforce the amarr's way upon them?


Actually no, the Khanid submitted pretty voluntarily save for a few that chose to wage war rather than submit. These were forced into submission through conquest. To the latter, yes we did engage in conquest over many worlds before we contacted the Minmatar. Most of them are now upstanding members of the Empire, many serve in positions of power and authority. We even managed to keep a few from going extinct due to lack of resources on their home planets or destroying themselves through civil war.

Horak Thor wrote:
Unlike you amarrian the minmatar dont repress free will. we have a multitude of peoples with different religions, ways of life, tribal beliefs etc. yes this causes conflict especially since they are all so newly settled together.


Actually, the Minmatar have a history of violently attacking and killing their own kin who follow the Amarr faith, I'll provide references if you'd like. Also, before our arrival, you warred constantly against one another, even attempting to eradicate entire tribes from among yourselves, you actually became unified as a result of the interaction between our two peoples.

Horak Thor wrote:
What we do not do is stamp out this difference like you. this gives us great strength and weakness.


I agree that you find great strength in diversity and internal friction. You have certainly demonstrated so. However, you do stamp out certain differences if you feel strongly enough opposed to them.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#151 - 2012-08-23 19:55:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Horak Thor wrote:
So in its youth the amarr were not in a civil war with the khanid on athra?

Nope.

You might be conflating the Khanid secession in 23041 AD (And King Khanid II is ethnically Amarrian) and the conversion of the Khanid clans on Athra around 20100 AD.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Anslo
Scope Works
#152 - 2012-08-23 19:56:30 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
You are correct, we didn't offer you much choice in the matter. I do not deny that this was a misstep on our part as previously we always attempted to peacefully guide and shepherd if possible. Also, referring to the latter, rejection of the message of God does warrant conquest by the Reclaiming, yes. I have also never denied that.


No, it doesn't warrant reclaiming. It warrants you allowing your GOD to pass judgment. Who are you to act in his stead? It means you leave them alone and in peace. Deal with your own Empire.

Azdan Amith wrote:
Actually no, the Khanid submitted pretty voluntarily save for a few that chose to wage war rather than submit. These were forced into submission through conquest. To the latter, yes we did engage in conquest over many worlds before we contacted the Minmatar. Most of them are now upstanding members of the Empire, many serve in positions of power and authority. We even managed to keep a few from going extinct due to lack of resources on their home planets or destroying themselves through civil war.


Sure, civil war you probably instigated. Lack of resources YOU probably destroyed to back them into the corner without wasting war resources.

Azdan Amith wrote:
Actually, the Minmatar have a history of violently attacking and killing their own kin who follow the Amarr faith, I'll provide references if you'd like. Also, before our arrival, you warred constantly against one another, even attempting to eradicate entire tribes from among yourselves, you actually became unified as a result of the interaction between our two peoples.


I wonder WHY they hate that faith so much and ANY who practice it? Hmm..maybe cause the one's OF that faith razed their lands, burned their homes, and stole their people and stuck a "safeguard" into them to ensure they don't run away. And, if you looked at my timeline, that "civil war" was FAR in the past. They had settled their differences, they had a GLOBAL culture, peaceful, intelligent, and damn well advancing at a faster rate than any of us were. Their Elders were leading them to a glorious future. They were unified BEFORE you came. Then the Dark Days hit, and you ****** it all up. Bravo. If the Amarr are to be credited with anything, it's almost everything BAD that happened to the Republic after they clawed to their freedom.

Azdan Amith wrote:
I agree that you find great strength in diversity and internal friction. You have certainly demonstrated so. However, you do stamp out certain differences if you feel strongly enough opposed to them.


Differences encroached and planted by outsiders like YOU. Hell I don't even think the Gallente should be exposing as much culture as they do on the Minmatar. You don't export culture, it's wrong, plain and simple. Besides, Minmatar books and media are WAY more interesting at times than Gallente stuff.

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Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#153 - 2012-08-23 20:01:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Horak Thor
Azdan Amith wrote:
Horak Thor wrote:
By enslaving the minmater you didnt advise you enforced. you didnt offer us the ability to follow your religion, as a doctor advising a patient would, you enslaved us and told us it was for our own good, if we told you we didnt want to follow your religion we were "corrected". Fact.


You are correct, we didn't offer you much choice in the matter. I do not deny that this was a misstep on our part as previously we always attempted to peacefully guide and shepherd if possible. Also, referring to the latter, rejection of the message of God does warrant conquest by the Reclaiming, yes. I have also never denied that.

Horak Thor wrote:
So in its youth the amarr were not in a civil war with the khanid on athra? they didnt enslave countless worlds etc that were different and enforce the amarr's way upon them?


Actually no, the Khanid submitted pretty voluntarily save for a few that chose to wage war rather than submit. These were forced into submission through conquest. To the latter, yes we did engage in conquest over many worlds before we contacted the Minmatar. Most of them are now upstanding members of the Empire, many serve in positions of power and authority. We even managed to keep a few from going extinct due to lack of resources on their home planets or destroying themselves through civil war.

Horak Thor wrote:
Unlike you amarrian the minmatar dont repress free will. we have a multitude of peoples with different religions, ways of life, tribal beliefs etc. yes this causes conflict especially since they are all so newly settled together.


Actually, the Minmatar have a history of violently attacking and killing their own kin who follow the Amarr faith, I'll provide references if you'd like. Also, before our arrival, you warred constantly against one another, even attempting to eradicate entire tribes from among yourselves, you actually became unified as a result of the interaction between our two peoples.

Horak Thor wrote:
What we do not do is stamp out this difference like you. this gives us great strength and weakness.


I agree that you find great strength in diversity and internal friction. You have certainly demonstrated so. However, you do stamp out certain differences if you feel strongly enough opposed to them.


And you finally prove to me just how very very VERY inaccurate your knowledge is.

It is very clearly published that the amarrians respect for the khanid stemmed from the years of staunch resistance the smaller and less populated khanid put up against the amarr. submitted voluntarily? your knowledge is laughable.

We have a history of violently attacking and killing eachother? Again it is widely documented and known that before the amarr came the minmatar had put aside the tools of war, no war was known for many centuries, the war you brought us ended hundreds of years of piece and prosperity that have never been attained since. have you been brain washed to believe otherwise or are you truly just ignorant?

Strength in diversity yes. and as tot he minmatar that still follow the amarrian faith, it is to be expected they are hated. do i hate them? yes do i wish them gone? yes. would i murder them? no i would convert them. and not forced.

If you would like a history lesson my door is always open, however if you came in id probably shoot you in the face.

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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#154 - 2012-08-23 20:08:36 UTC
Horak Thor wrote:


And you finally prove to me just how very very VERY little your knowledge is.

It is very clearly published that the amarrians respect for the khanid stemmed from the years of staunch resistance the smaller and less populated khanid put up against the amarr. submitted voluntarily? your knowledge is laughable.


Uh, no, Azdan is quite correct on that front. The Khanid were very willing disciples of the Amarrian faith.
Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#155 - 2012-08-23 20:30:35 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Horak Thor wrote:


And you finally prove to me just how very very VERY little your knowledge is.

It is very clearly published that the amarrians respect for the khanid stemmed from the years of staunch resistance the smaller and less populated khanid put up against the amarr. submitted voluntarily? your knowledge is laughable.


Uh, no, Azdan is quite correct on that front. The Khanid were very willing disciples of the Amarrian faith.


I stand corrected it was the Udorians not the Khanid the amarr were at war with however my point still stands.

Let me point you here Azdan http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Reclaiming

Read the history of your people. violence from start to finish.

Stop attempting to deny this.

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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#156 - 2012-08-23 20:43:49 UTC
Horak Thor wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Horak Thor wrote:


And you finally prove to me just how very very VERY little your knowledge is.

It is very clearly published that the amarrians respect for the khanid stemmed from the years of staunch resistance the smaller and less populated khanid put up against the amarr. submitted voluntarily? your knowledge is laughable.


Uh, no, Azdan is quite correct on that front. The Khanid were very willing disciples of the Amarrian faith.


I stand corrected it was the Udorians not the Khanid the amarr were at war with however my point still stands.

Let me point you here Azdan http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Reclaiming

Read the history of your people. violence from start to finish.

Stop attempting to deny this.


The history of everyone has been violence from start to finish, Captain. Your own people are not immune to that, even amongst yourselves.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#157 - 2012-08-23 21:02:47 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Tshusht eight a shec!

*transmission terminated*


Diana; I adore you more and more with every post.

I cannot hold it back in longer.

Your hair: Why?!


Oh! Invasive brain surgery. And convenience. But also, invasive brain surgery. It's nicer for them to go in through the top than underneath.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#158 - 2012-08-23 21:17:43 UTC
Horak Thor wrote:

I stand corrected it was the Udorians not the Khanid the amarr were at war with however my point still stands.

Let me point you here Azdan http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Reclaiming

Read the history of your people. violence from start to finish.

Stop attempting to deny this.


I'm aware of the history of the Reclaiming and of the Amarr, Mister Thor and I have never attempted to deny that our past is a violent one. I have only stated that violence is not the preferred initial method, unfortunately it is the method most commonly remembered as it tends cause the most ripples.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution
Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#159 - 2012-08-23 23:33:12 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Horak Thor wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Horak Thor wrote:


And you finally prove to me just how very very VERY little your knowledge is.

It is very clearly published that the amarrians respect for the khanid stemmed from the years of staunch resistance the smaller and less populated khanid put up against the amarr. submitted voluntarily? your knowledge is laughable.


Uh, no, Azdan is quite correct on that front. The Khanid were very willing disciples of the Amarrian faith.


I stand corrected it was the Udorians not the Khanid the amarr were at war with however my point still stands.

Let me point you here Azdan http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Reclaiming

Read the history of your people. violence from start to finish.

Stop attempting to deny this.


The history of everyone has been violence from start to finish, Captain. Your own people are not immune to that, even amongst yourselves.


Its General actually do a little background research, and im not from a race of people that have invaded or enslaved anyone in our history can you say the same?

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Kithrus
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#160 - 2012-08-23 23:49:27 UTC
Horak Thor wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Horak Thor wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Horak Thor wrote:


And you finally prove to me just how very very VERY little your knowledge is.

It is very clearly published that the amarrians respect for the khanid stemmed from the years of staunch resistance the smaller and less populated khanid put up against the amarr. submitted voluntarily? your knowledge is laughable.


Uh, no, Azdan is quite correct on that front. The Khanid were very willing disciples of the Amarrian faith.


I stand corrected it was the Udorians not the Khanid the amarr were at war with however my point still stands.

Let me point you here Azdan http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Reclaiming

Read the history of your people. violence from start to finish.

Stop attempting to deny this.


The history of everyone has been violence from start to finish, Captain. Your own people are not immune to that, even amongst yourselves.


Its General actually do a little background research, and im not from a race of people that have invaded or enslaved anyone in our history can you say the same?


So before the age of space flight your people have zero history of enslaving anyone? No Tribes assimilating a defeated tribe into another?

Also as I recall the Angel Cartel is just as much Matari as it is anything else.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.