Science & Industry

So is the same for ships, however I think you'll find that CCP considers blowing ships up an isk sink.

Nice going dumbass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms&list=PLDDA989F65CD6E98A&index=18&feature=plpp_video

Feel free to watch and learn.

As materials and isk are interchangable.... oh wait.

Blowing ships up is an ISK tap, not a sink. The money you paid for the ship is still in circulation, minus the 1% or so transaction tax, plus the insurance payout generates ISK out of nothing and gives it to you thereby increasing the amount of ISK sloshing around Eve's economy.

It's laughably easy to get max refines in highsec. The standings only take a day or so to get and refining 5 takes four days so about 5 days to get 100% refines. I'm not going to get in to outpost refineries, it's bad. The only thing I remember that module being used for was ice refines in highsec. The much needed pos revamp is a differen topi and I suggest you read up on isk sinks you clearly do not understand.

ahh so all the items will be NPC seeded instead of player seeded that is a huge difference thanks for clearing it up.....


now its a sink

so what your saying is

1 players build the moduel
2 user pays for mod
3 user pays to install the mod and that is multiplied by the number of same type of mods being intalled or previously installed
4 at the phenominal pricing only the uber rich stand to be able to use pos

pos are meant to be small outpost not gigantic hubs of commerce and trade where everything can and is done for a price i think the current setup is fine in the difference between the two. if you want a station go take one or set one up.

This will kill IMO a large chunk of industry and the whole idea that anyone can do anythng in eve since now POS will be for the elite multi-billion a day alliance/corp/player

i see this being more of a detriment to eve then a boon

This is more of a POS revamp thing than a mining related thing. To humor you though not everyone should be able to control a station I know personally that it takes a lot of effort to even seize one, its a lot of risk to use the captured stations with no benefits compared to highsec stations, and if you are just another highsec dweller demanding something be basically handed to you instead of putting in the work to earn it then all I have to say is No.

To go back on topic here I think moving more ores from highsec to lowsec would be a good start in fixing the risk:reward dynamics for highsec mining. It solves a lot of the AFK mining problem but leaves the mining can be really really boring problem. I think it solves more problems than it causes though because it gives a much needed buff to lowsec and piracy without harming highsec to much, and it means the uneeded EHP buffs would actually be needed. Those who aren't willing to risk anything won't be rewarded as much and those who are willing to risk it will make tons of isk.

A billion isk is not phenominal but now players have to pay to upgrade thier pos with little benefit that they could easily get from HS/LS/NULL hubs

a pos is something a smal group can afford at 1-1.5b setup and 500m monthly if it is a large POS you now what to multiply that cost by magnitudes and for what reason what is the extra gain from it?

The things you are proposing are frankly over priced and should really be considered as you stated it is a cost * # of mods installed as a base cost and if you add more mods the cost keeps going upwards this hinders small groups as the prices rise for a product like labs for example.

you initial proposal was to charge 200b but lets be nice and say 1b for a single mod how many mods do you need to replicate what current POS offers or even HS stations.

so if i wanted a research pos lets use a medium with 4 labs ( http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=16216)
so thats
20x invention slots
12x ME/PE slots
5x copy slots

how many of your mods would it take to cover that lets say 4 and each mod installed has a climbing install cost lets say since it is replacing an out post your looking at 23 billion per upgrade ( http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Outpost )
so even without your increasing cost that is 92b for a few research spots

let me know when your idea makes sense

again this is catering to the uber we have more space cash then you so you should not be allowed to play with the same space toy we are.

o and they can be poped right this is making sense now if you want player controlled stationsmove to null it works great out that way leave pos as they are

this idea should be gassed and put back in from where it came.

EDIT** HS & LS space as well as NPC NULL are OWNED by these faction thus the stations belong to them why should players compete with the NPC on something that is done hence the reason we have pos so players can setup small bases in HS space for private usage regardless of what it is

keep station building in null VoV

So come mine in high sec? Problem solved?

How about instead of tears of whine whenever something doesnt go your way you adapt, improvise and ovecome? If you spent as much effort crying as you did adapting to changes you would be sitting back comfortable in a high sec belt making fat wallets.

Or you'd realize high sec mining isnt a money tree, and that'd be that.

Money maker or not is beyond the issue at hand. The problem is that highsec mining has far less risk and far more reward than nullsec mining. The whole crying argument is crap here too because whining on the forums is the premier tactic of highsec miners, I'm fighting fire with fire.