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when should i change to an exhumer?
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Miner Slave
Brave Sir Robins Hideout
#1 - 2012-08-21 10:46:25 UTC
as a budding miner i am really happy at the new t1 barges as currently thats what i have the skills for, but i wondered if anyone has done the maths yet for someone like me that doesnt have a booster or any implants yet to when its best to upgrade.

i suppose what i mean is at the minute im nearly at mining barge 5 so that will be the most i can get out of a t1 barge, would i need to get the exhumer skill to 5 before the exhumer pulls ahead of the barge or would level 4 do?

best to know before i do it eh :D

thanks in advance
Count Adhemar
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#2 - 2012-08-21 10:53:24 UTC
lvl 4 exhumer will be enough to show a differance
if i was you though i'd make sure you have the skills for t2 strip's and crystals.. and your core skills to fit a nice t2 tank
before moving into a t2 barge
Miner Slave
Brave Sir Robins Hideout
#3 - 2012-08-21 10:58:06 UTC
thanks for that, just checking as the blogs seem to have pretty close yields on maxed out everything so i diddnt want to have to train exhumer 5 just to beat my little barge lol

good point on the tank, it will have one and no mining upgrades was the plan.
Brego Tralowski
Tralowski Independent Traders.
#4 - 2012-08-21 11:05:40 UTC
Count Adhemar wrote:
lvl 4 exhumer will be enough to show a differance
if i was you though i'd make sure you have the skills for t2 strip's and crystals.. and your core skills to fit a nice t2 tank
before moving into a t2 barge


This dude is right!

Strip miners also count towards your final yield so getting the skills to use T2 Strips and T2 crystals really helps. Also perhaps sticking to a Retriever for a while as it is great for solo mining with a great Ore bay and yield. They are also cheap enough that should you get ganked/loose it they can be replaced without too much worry to your wallet. Also staying in a T1 Barge will give you enough time to decide if Mining is something you want to invest more in before going for a Mack or Hulk.

Implants: Implants are great too and I know you have mentioned them in your OP, but again it's something you will need to think about before investing the isk into buying.

Drones: T1 (better still T2) mining drones also help bring in more Ore and are perhaps something to consider, T1 Mining drones cost peanuts and do a good job at helping you fill up that gigantic Ore hold.

Perhaps join the in game mining channel there's a good bunch of people in there that do offer good advice (when the trolls are offline of course), fly safe.

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Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-08-21 20:02:44 UTC
Miner Slave wrote:
as a budding miner i am really happy at the new t1 barges as currently thats what i have the skills for, but i wondered if anyone has done the maths yet for someone like me that doesnt have a booster or any implants yet to when its best to upgrade.

i suppose what i mean is at the minute im nearly at mining barge 5 so that will be the most i can get out of a t1 barge, would i need to get the exhumer skill to 5 before the exhumer pulls ahead of the barge or would level 4 do?

best to know before i do it eh :D

thanks in advance


Yield wise you'll make more isk/hour training the following skills prior to trying to get into a exhumer.


  1. T2 crystals. Big increase in yield over strips. This should be the first thing you try to achive before moving out of a retriever. 1 - 2 days per crystal (veld, scor, pyro, kern, etc).
  2. Mining laser upgrades II. 6% increase in yield. 2 days.
  3. Cybernetics IV. 3% mining yield implant. Cybernetics V is 10 days, but gives you 2% more yield (and can use +5 implants).
  4. Mining drones II / drone interfacing IV. About 3M isk/hour over using mining drones I.


So basically to get into an exhumer is what, roughly 35 days (barges V, Astrogeology V) ? With the above skills (3 T2 crystals, MLUII, 3% implant, mining drones II) will take about 14 days and give you a mining yield increase of about roughly 25% increase in yields. So basically you'll get a 25% increase in 1/2 the time before getting the roughly 15% increase training to an exhumer, which are all skills you'll be training anyways.
Miner Slave
Brave Sir Robins Hideout
#6 - 2012-08-22 09:37:07 UTC
ty all for the info its very helpfull, i downloaded eft last night to see when an unboosted hulk overtakes my barge and it seems to be anything past exhumer level 2 lol.

but i am going to follow the advice and get the t2 strips and drones first while i save up.

thank you again
:D
Janet Patton
Brony Express
#7 - 2012-08-22 22:29:17 UTC
Unless you are filthy rich, I wouldn't recommend exhumers now after the recent barge changes. I would max out all your other mining support skills and even drone skills before considering exhumers. I don't think the cost for exhumers is enough to be worth wild.

I think right now using a retriever is your best bet and is comparable to any exhumers yield. I would only recommend getting a exhumer after you maxed all you mining support skills and have more ISK then you know how to spend.

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Ginger Barbarella
#8 - 2012-08-22 23:39:39 UTC
Definately get into T2 strippers and crystals, and IMHO get into a Mack when you're ready. Love this after the changes. Lol

For support skills the usual stuff (Electronics, Mechanics, Engineering) to L4 for the basics, and also Hull Upgrades L4 (T2 amps, for example) and Tactical Shield Manip to L5 (Adaptive Invuln II and other active shield modules). Ddon't discount the basics; you'll need that shield and cap with barges and exhumers.

If you'll be refining and not just selling the ore, get into Refining and Refinery Efficiency, and the specific ore processing skills to lessen the waste. While you're getting there, run mining missions for a corp or two to get standing up so lessen the "take" from the station's owning corp.

Also Astrogeology for an extra 5% per level yield on ores. :)

Re EFT: be sure you import your skills and set up any current implants so you can get the best info out of it. Good stuff.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#9 - 2012-08-23 09:09:37 UTC
Drones are also good against belt-rats, if you mine AFK, especially in systems that have Guristas belt rats, because they ECM jam you, which means you lose stripper cycles (so you can't just sit there and tank it). Just basic drone skillz and reach Drone Interfacing, then train that up to 2, then later train it to at least 4 (because its bonus is really, really huge). Drones are also helpful in other kinds of systems, but they're vital in Guristas system, which are typically found in Caldari space.

And don't try to mine during Incursions. I tried that once. The belt rats consistently ate my drones for breakfast, and I have maxed all drone skillz.
Count Adhemar
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#10 - 2012-08-23 11:27:41 UTC
Tactical Shield Manip only needs to be lvl 4 for t2 invul's

learning drone skills is a must .. combat more than mining for the belt rats.

don't try to mine during Incursion and this is spot on .. just dont bother even trying.

alot of good advice here.
dont forget about rigs .. t1 will tbh be ok just stay away from cargo ones .. there is no need for them now.
prices for t2 barges are high atm, and tbh they are going to stay high for along time, so shop around when your ready.
look in contracts too, as you might pick one up cheap with rigs and rember a t2 barge is a long term investment.
atm the rule of thumb is
hulk = group mining with support
mack = solo / small group
skiff = low / null
with out bonus there isnt that much between them apart from tank and ore hold, unless you're ice mining
hulk is now the best ice mining barge.
if your looking into mining as a full time thing, look into joining a corp, alot offer bonuses and ore buy back programs
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#11 - 2012-08-23 14:18:23 UTC
Can you use T2 crystals in high sec? For some reason I read they were low/null/wh only. I could be greatly mistaken.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Velicitia
XS Tech
#12 - 2012-08-23 14:37:31 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Can you use T2 crystals in high sec? For some reason I read they were low/null/wh only. I could be greatly mistaken.



you are Blink

Yes, you can use T2 crystals in hisec.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#13 - 2012-08-23 15:58:15 UTC
you got very good advice here, here's my .2 pence I would not jump into an exhumer at the moment for a few reasons, 1. cost to true benefits although you can tank more in a T-2 and have some other benefits in my opinion not enough to offset the risk of the gank if you plan to not take measures to mine elsewhere other than a common belt. 2. CCP has a way of redoing stuff after a release so I'd wait to see if any changes take place over the next 2 or 3 months , beyond this invest in skills to Max you yield and get cozy with NPC'S of your choice with a refinery of atleast 50% and some beancounter implants to get 100% yield on what you do mine.
Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#14 - 2012-08-23 17:23:13 UTC
Brego Tralowski wrote:
Drones: T1 (better still T2) mining drones also help bring in more Ore and are perhaps something to consider, T1 Mining drones cost peanuts and do a good job at helping you fill up that gigantic Ore hold.

Perhaps join the in game mining channel there's a good bunch of people in there that do offer good advice (when the trolls are offline of course), fly safe.


Is there a way to calculate how much ore a T2 mining drone brings in? For whatever reason, that multiplicative math really messes me up.

Also: In game mining channel? Point the way please! :D

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus
Velicitia
XS Tech
#15 - 2012-08-23 17:47:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
Brego Tralowski wrote:
Drones: T1 (better still T2) mining drones also help bring in more Ore and are perhaps something to consider, T1 Mining drones cost peanuts and do a good job at helping you fill up that gigantic Ore hold.

Perhaps join the in game mining channel there's a good bunch of people in there that do offer good advice (when the trolls are offline of course), fly safe.


Is there a way to calculate how much ore a T2 mining drone brings in? For whatever reason, that multiplicative math really messes me up.

Also: In game mining channel? Point the way please! :D



25 m3 (base) per minute, less travel time.

IIRC the only skill that affects them (in a barge/exhumer anyway) is Mining Drone Operation.

so 25 * 1.25 * 5 = 156 m3/minute.

Edit, Drone Interfacing (+20% mining/level) too

25 *1.25*2*5 = 312 m3/minute (less travel time)

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia