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The tutorial made me not want to do exploration lol

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Imperius Vecaradi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-08-23 13:48:35 UTC
Hi all.



Yep so i did the tutorial for Space Exploration. probably got to the third mission before calling it quits. the one where you have to find the Gravimetric site. i spent literally 3 and a half hours trying to pinpoin the dang thing i cant for the life of me do it i end up slipping up and lose the circle compleltly. i realized then and there i was not patient enough for this type of scanning heh.

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JonnyRandom
#2 - 2012-08-23 13:51:16 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYfTA00Idg

You will watch this and you will understand it. If you are then not interested in this type of activity you will pursue other venues in the game.
Santiago Fahahrri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-08-23 14:41:29 UTC
Once you "get" it sites can be found in just a few minutes.
Akanamon
Ralph's Monestary
#4 - 2012-08-23 14:58:32 UTC
Imperius Vecaradi wrote:
Hi all.



Yep so i did the tutorial for Space Exploration. probably got to the third mission before calling it quits. the one where you have to find the Gravimetric site. i spent literally 3 and a half hours trying to pinpoin the dang thing i cant for the life of me do it i end up slipping up and lose the circle compleltly. i realized then and there i was not patient enough for this type of scanning heh.


Your signal strength in your early days will make exploration a bit rough, but keep those skills up and watch the video that the previous poster mentioned and you will be okay.

Scanning is fun.
Oraac Ensor
#5 - 2012-08-23 16:10:10 UTC
My standard advice: make sure your filters are cleared.

Checking the signature type that you want to find will not speed up the process but does exactly the opposite.
Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-08-24 17:21:09 UTC
Confirmed being forced to scan probe with no skills is a ***** and a half.

Once you level up your skills, get a scanning ship, grav rigs and a tech II probe launcher it gets a hell of alot easier.

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JonnyRandom
#7 - 2012-08-24 17:33:56 UTC
Lyric Lahnder wrote:
Confirmed being forced to scan probe with no skills is a ***** and a half.

Once you level up your skills, get a scanning ship, grav rigs and a tech II probe launcher it gets a hell of alot easier.


It all gets easier, but none of it is required to scan.

In fact, the reason why it gets easier is because by that time you've been practising a lot and you have gained your own skills to do it faster and efficiently. You don't need any rigs or T2 probe launchers to get successful scans.
mkint
#8 - 2012-08-24 17:47:08 UTC
The tutorial site is easier to find with no skills than any other site with skills.

A few things to remember:
1 the site never moves, only your results do.
2 the site can be anywhere on the surface of the sphere or circle, or one of the two dots (watch the sig ID) adjusted for deviation.
3 it is simple triangulation. Each probe only knows how far the site is from itself, thus it takes 4 probes covering the site to know where it is, adjusted for deviation.
4 once you resolve the site to a single point, then try for 100% signal by tightening up your probes.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-08-24 18:13:18 UTC
mkint wrote:
The tutorial site is easier to find with no skills than any other site with skills.

A few things to remember:
1 the site never moves, only your results do.
2 the site can be anywhere on the surface of the sphere or circle, or one of the two dots (watch the sig ID) adjusted for deviation.
3 it is simple triangulation. Each probe only knows how far the site is from itself, thus it takes 4 probes covering the site to know where it is, adjusted for deviation.
4 once you resolve the site to a single point, then try for 100% signal by tightening up your probes.


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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-08-25 18:55:38 UTC
I found the Gravimetric Tutorial really hard too.
Then i watched the scanning 101 video posted above and realised

"you have a 2 dimensional display of 3 dimensional space" combined with extremely poor and shoddy camera view controls for that display.

you have to pan the camera view around from sideways to vertical.

initially you might think your scanning area covers the site location, until you change the view and realise your probes are miles ABOVE the site ....
Griffton Karriban
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-08-25 23:41:03 UTC
Howdy,
My biggest issue was when doing the tutorial I had duplicate signatures for a site within .25AUs of each other. This happened to me twice doing the tutorials and was just plain cruel. Trying to arrange the probes to just focus on one of the signatures to determine if it's the real one when they are both inside the minimum scanning range is not fun. I had to recall probes, dock at base and walk away from the computer a few times in order to spare myself the cost of replacing my keyboard and monitor. The thing is, if it weren't for a couple of rough bits with the tutorial I could really like scanning and exploration.

Griffton

No power in the verse...

mkint
#12 - 2012-08-26 01:15:50 UTC
Griffton Karriban wrote:
Howdy,
My biggest issue was when doing the tutorial I had duplicate signatures for a site within .25AUs of each other. This happened to me twice doing the tutorials and was just plain cruel. Trying to arrange the probes to just focus on one of the signatures to determine if it's the real one when they are both inside the minimum scanning range is not fun. I had to recall probes, dock at base and walk away from the computer a few times in order to spare myself the cost of replacing my keyboard and monitor. The thing is, if it weren't for a couple of rough bits with the tutorial I could really like scanning and exploration.

Griffton

sounds like you had the vertical wrong. 2 signatures means wherever the actual site was, you were only covering it with 3 instead of 4 probes. Move your probes around so both results are thoroughly covered by the probes overlap.

On a rookie unskilled character I was able to get the site with my probes at over 4 au. The point of the tuts is to learn placement.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Keno Skir
#13 - 2012-08-26 17:51:32 UTC
mkint wrote:
it is simple triangulation. Each probe only knows how far the site is from itself, thus it takes 4 probes covering the site to know where it is


Triangulation takes 3 points of reference.
Caitlynn Askyra
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#14 - 2012-08-26 18:17:06 UTC
I think it might be a bug or something. I've done the tutorial a few times and on occasion no matter what I did I couldn't find a site in the system, it's weird becausein the tutorials you barely have to do anything to find a site normally.
GSXRSquid
Sarum Prime Innovations
#15 - 2012-08-26 20:05:16 UTC

scanning may not seem exciting at first but it is a very important skill to learn. Also once you max out the skills and get the right equipment it is a lot easier. After awhile it is automatic.


you can find all sorts of interesting things especially when you get into wormholes.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-08-28 06:08:52 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
mkint wrote:
it is simple triangulation. Each probe only knows how far the site is from itself, thus it takes 4 probes covering the site to know where it is


Triangulation takes 3 points of reference.

And works on a defined plane. "Quadrangulation" or whatever it's called just don't sound badass enough.

OT: With right skills (and also hardware) and right technique scanning becomes pretty easy and fun. Follow some giude on the matter. My personal advice though is to use standart probe formations and Shift and Alt keys. With that, if you can't pinpoint something, you probably can't do that at all with you skills/items.

Later on you'll be able to scan stuff down in two hits (or sometimes in one, with help of D-scan; it's a bit harder, but it's important in specific circumstances).
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-08-28 06:50:25 UTC
2 things to remember.

Shift - Move, Adjust Scanning range
Alt- Move (keeps the Probes proportionaly at the same distance)

Makes probing so much easier
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#18 - 2012-08-28 07:21:03 UTC
Do you want advice or commiseration?

Because you don't have to scan if you don't want, plenty of other stuff to do in the game. If you want advice, though, check your filters and learn what a tetrahedron is and make your probes into one.
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-08-28 07:50:00 UTC
GSXRSquid wrote:

scanning may not seem exciting at first but it is a very important skill to learn. Also once you max out the skills and get the right equipment it is a lot easier. After awhile it is automatic.


you can find all sorts of interesting things especially when you get into wormholes.
Scanning is mandatory in wormholes since everything has to be scanned down, but it's perfectly possible to play the game without scanning otherwise, it's only used for exploration or to locate ships in space, so it's very likely that at least one guy in the corp might have half a brain and figured it out to scan stuff for others, usually it's the guy that's always logged on, but had to log just before you needed to scan something and won't be back before a couple days.

So... it's not important, but one day, you might find yourself in need of something scanned down, so knowing the process can be handy, but since OP just wanted to tell how he gave up on it, *shrugs* why force the guy into trying again? sounds like a trial that won't be subbed.

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Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#20 - 2012-08-28 08:09:55 UTC
Imperius Vecaradi wrote:
Hi all.



Yep so i did the tutorial for Space Exploration. probably got to the third mission before calling it quits. the one where you have to find the Gravimetric site. i spent literally 3 and a half hours trying to pinpoin the dang thing i cant for the life of me do it i end up slipping up and lose the circle compleltly. i realized then and there i was not patient enough for this type of scanning heh.


Hehe... I had the same experience when I began playing EVE. I was all gung ho about the idea of exploration at first but the tutorial gave me a headache and I never touched it since even though I have decent skills. Maybe I will try it again. I'm nearly at the 3 year mark in EVE (56 M sp). I haven't undocked more than a few minutes in several months and contemplating closing my account unless I find something to do that isn't boring, irritating and or requires grinding PVE (missions etc.) to make ISK to fund a PVP lifestyle which in itself doesn't pique my interest. Straight

Yeeee! 

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