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Founding of the Order of Light's Retribution

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Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2012-08-22 16:24:39 UTC
On the OP.

Captain Amith, I'd like to say to you the same thing I said to Seneschal Shutaq and the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown: You may consider me a supporter of your cause and the ideals your newly created Order stands for. If i may assist with anything, like neutral logistics or transportation during wartime or in hostile territory, just ask anytime.

Good luck.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#22 - 2012-08-22 16:25:08 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
As always, Dos threads end up going to wonderful places.


Do you plan on ever making any comments anywhere that are anything other than cheering on your fellow trolls?


No, not really. Because orderly conduct is boring to me. Stirring the pot, seeing chaos erupt, anger, whatever, it entertains me.


Good to know I can safely discount your opinion as less than worthless in every situation then. Thank you for your honesty.
Dos Naari
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-08-22 16:34:39 UTC
Is this summit so apathetic that when a religious reclaimer proclaims the founding of another order devoted to the "salvation" of humanity, an individual who values freedom lashes out at it is ridiculed and insulted as the slaver zealot is congratulated? YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK!
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#24 - 2012-08-22 16:39:17 UTC
Dos Naari wrote:
Is this summit so apathetic that when a religious reclaimer proclaims the founding of another order devoted to the "salvation" of humanity, an individual who values freedom lashes out at it is ridiculed and insulted as the slaver zealot is congratulated? YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK!


We laugh because you're lashing out at air. You're like a cat attacking a laser pointer. Have the Amarr shown even the slightest interest or ability in enslaving the Caldari en-masse?
Anslo
Scope Works
#25 - 2012-08-22 16:44:07 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
As always, Dos threads end up going to wonderful places.


Do you plan on ever making any comments anywhere that are anything other than cheering on your fellow trolls?


No, not really. Because orderly conduct is boring to me. Stirring the pot, seeing chaos erupt, anger, whatever, it entertains me.


Good to know I can safely discount your opinion as less than worthless in every situation then. Thank you for your honesty.


You think I cared about a toasters opinion in the first place? When did that cross your mind? The minute I shot your pseudo-leader in the skull and tossed his body over to the Syne Accord?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Dos Naari
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-08-22 16:50:03 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Dos Naari wrote:
Is this summit so apathetic that when a religious reclaimer proclaims the founding of another order devoted to the "salvation" of humanity, an individual who values freedom lashes out at it is ridiculed and insulted as the slaver zealot is congratulated? YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK!


We laugh because you're lashing out at air. You're like a cat attacking a laser pointer. Have the Amarr shown even the slightest interest or ability in enslaving the Caldari en-masse?
No because the Amarr are notorious cowards that focus only on those they perceive as weaker than themselves, and who they feel that they have a realistic chance of subjugating.
Dos Naari
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-08-22 16:53:21 UTC
And who says I stand here representing the interests of the Caldari State? I am a freelance capsuleer, I move freely between all four of the empires and owe allegiance to no body or entity save my crew. When I speak it is not as a Caldari, but as someone who has seen the horrors of Amarrian zealotry time and again.
Anslo
Scope Works
#28 - 2012-08-22 16:53:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Dos Naari wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Dos Naari wrote:
Is this summit so apathetic that when a religious reclaimer proclaims the founding of another order devoted to the "salvation" of humanity, an individual who values freedom lashes out at it is ridiculed and insulted as the slaver zealot is congratulated? YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK!


We laugh because you're lashing out at air. You're like a cat attacking a laser pointer. Have the Amarr shown even the slightest interest or ability in enslaving the Caldari en-masse?
No because the Amarr are notorious cowards that focus only on those they perceive as weaker than themselves, and who they feel that they have a realistic chance of subjugating.


Ok there's where I disagree. The Amarr might be a bunch of God Lovers and religious nut jobs, but they sure as hell aren't cowards. The Matari fleets and war machine is nothing to be considered easily subjugated. Hell, I'd be afraid staring down a Tornado squadron pointing a few 1400's at me. The Matari are anything BUT a "weaker" adversary to the Amarr. They're tough son's of bitches, and the Amarr have got some pretty iron guts for fighting them.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#29 - 2012-08-22 16:54:21 UTC
You have also failed to point out where Azdan Amith is a slaver zealot, aside from making assertions based on two facts:

1) He is amarrians
2) He is religious
Dos Naari
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-08-22 17:02:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Dos Naari
Anslo wrote:
Ok there's where I disagree. The Amarr might be a bunch of God Lovers and religious nut jobs, but they sure as hell aren't cowards. The Matari fleets and war machine is nothing to be considered easily subjugated. Hell, I'd be afraid staring down a Tornado squadron pointing a few 1400's at me. The Matari are anything BUT a "weaker" adversary to the Amarr.

Yes I agree, which is probably why the crusaders have been spotted time and again, much to the disgrace of imperial engineers, using matari ships themselves. But with that said the Amarr are notoriously crafty in their "reclaimings", when my crew is delivering supplys to survivors on planets recently "visited" by the Amarr, we often hear about how the Republic fleet arrived in their Tornados and Maelstroms just as the slaver ships were leaving. Yes the Republic fleet is a force to be reckoned with, but it would seem that sometimes their response time is on par with that of CONCORD, something that clever slavers know all too well.
Anslo
Scope Works
#31 - 2012-08-22 17:05:29 UTC
Dos Naari wrote:
Yes I agree, which is probably why the crusaders have been spotted time and again, much to the disgrace of imperial engineers, using matari ships themselves.


I think you missed my point...I didn't mean their ships only, I meant their people. Ever got into an argument with a Sebeistor? They look frail but man do they pack a punch. Don't even get me started on Brutors. And where's the archive on this craftiness? Last I heard the Matari were kicking the Amarr's asses frequently.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Dos Naari
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-08-22 17:17:54 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Dos Naari wrote:
Yes I agree, which is probably why the crusaders have been spotted time and again, much to the disgrace of imperial engineers, using matari ships themselves.


I think you missed my point...I didn't mean their ships only, I meant their people. Ever got into an argument with a Sebeistor? They look frail but man do they pack a punch. Don't even get me started on Brutors. And where's the archive on this craftiness? Last I heard the Matari were kicking the Amarr's asses frequently.
Unfortunately evidence concerning Republic ineptitude is all too often quickly swept under the preverbial rug, and the role of quickly moving in provisions to address the aftermath left to independent haulers, lest it be reported that the Republic fleet had to move relief aid to yet another world visited by the reclaimers. And as far as the character of the Matari people is concerned, despite the condemnations of certain individuals in this summit I fully plan to continue providing that relief aid whenever possible, if only out of respect towards the tribes of Matar.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-08-22 18:14:37 UTC
Thank you for your graciousness, Sister Tamiroth. I would still very much like to meet with you at some point, we have much to discuss.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-08-22 20:13:52 UTC
Dos Naari wrote:
And as far as the character of the Matari people is concerned, despite the condemnations of certain individuals in this summit I fully plan to continue providing that relief aid whenever possible, if only out of respect towards the tribes of Matar.


Nobody on this thread has criticised the character of the Matari peoples. We have criticised YOUR character, but then it seems you have difficulties spotting that you, yourself, are NOT of the tribes of Matar. Be advised, Citizen Naari, that the Matari themselves will have no such problems discerning your origin.

More and more you sound like someone who has enjoyed the benefits of a Gallentean education and spent just a little too long speaking to certain earnest propagandists that can be found in the Student Union bar.
Uraniae Fehrnah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-08-22 22:03:48 UTC
Dos Naari wrote:


But with that said the Amarr are notoriously crafty in their "reclaimings", when my crew is delivering supplys to survivors on planets recently "visited" by the Amarr, we often hear about how the Republic fleet arrived in their Tornados and Maelstroms just as the slaver ships were leaving. Yes the Republic fleet is a force to be reckoned with, but it would seem that sometimes their response time is on par with that of CONCORD, something that clever slavers know all too well.


Oh where to begin. Lets start with CONCORD shall we? CONCORD exists for two primary reasons. Firstly to try and keep the cluster from being reduced to a cinder. Secondly, CONCORD exists to police the actions of capsuleers, with special emphasis on punishing capsuleer action against noncapsuleers. CONCORD response times are rather amazing when it comes to comparing them to any other law enforcement agency in the cluster.

Now lets move onto this business of clever slavers. You do realize that it is illegal for the Empire to take slaves from within the borders of a recognized sovereign nation? Of course simply being illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen, however, and this is the important part, you're attacking a man who is publicly announcing he wants to combat exactly these sorts of things. You're saying you hate the Empire and giving your reasons, then attacking a man for wanting to fix some of the reasons you hate the Empire. Doesn't that seem incredibly silly and counterproductive?
Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#36 - 2012-08-23 01:12:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Rhiannon Dellacorte
Anslo wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
As always, Dos threads end up going to wonderful places.


Do you plan on ever making any comments anywhere that are anything other than cheering on your fellow trolls?


No, not really. Because orderly conduct is boring to me. Stirring the pot, seeing chaos erupt, anger, whatever, it entertains me.


Still waiting on the next CPF Blue season, eh?

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.

Anslo
Scope Works
#37 - 2012-08-23 12:56:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
As always, Dos threads end up going to wonderful places.


Do you plan on ever making any comments anywhere that are anything other than cheering on your fellow trolls?


No, not really. Because orderly conduct is boring to me. Stirring the pot, seeing chaos erupt, anger, whatever, it entertains me.


Still waiting on the next CPF Blue season, eh?


Oh gods I hate that show.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Ahanu Jolon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-08-23 13:12:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Ahanu Jolon
Amaki Mai wrote:
Dos Naari wrote:
And as far as the character of the Matari people is concerned, despite the condemnations of certain individuals in this summit I fully plan to continue providing that relief aid whenever possible, if only out of respect towards the tribes of Matar.


Nobody on this thread has criticised the character of the Matari peoples. We have criticised YOUR character, but then it seems you have difficulties spotting that you, yourself, are NOT of the tribes of Matar. Be advised, Citizen Naari, that the Matari themselves will have no such problems discerning your origin.

More and more you sound like someone who has enjoyed the benefits of a Gallentean education and spent just a little too long speaking to certain earnest propagandists that can be found in the Student Union bar.


I always hated propaganda.

You watch some in the Republic from time to time about the Amarr being demonized and the Gallenteans being our saviors and it all smacks wrong for me. It shows Angry Amarr fleets bearing down on undefended worlds lasers blazing while orphans scream in the streets. You see sharp dressed Gallentean officers signing peace treaties and offering relief aid seemingly out of pocket.

Now I don't like the Amarr, I can't trust the Amarr for reasons that are my own but I do know of good Amarr who have freed slaves.

I also know greedy Gallenteans who would dishonor our tribal tattoos and use them as a fashion statement that only serves cheapen our culture and make money of something we hold in reverence.

Maybe if everyone backed off a little hmm?

Dos Naari, you are not Matari, you are not of the Tribes, you have no elder and you have never been enslaved. Stop speaking for us like your one of use because frankly you arn't. Your tone carries an empty angey though born of sympathy rings hollow of true pain.

I understand people trying to help but I don't understand why everyone thinks they need to fight our fights for us.

Be they to save our souls or our freedom.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-08-23 13:54:20 UTC
Ahanu Jolon wrote:

I understand people trying to help but I don't understand why everyone thinks they need to fight our fights for us.

Be they to save our souls or our freedom.


Allow me first to commend you on your clarity and the wisdom behind it. I wish only to make a minor correction though your point will still stand. The Amarr don't intend on fighting your battle for redemption for you, that has never been our purpose. Our purpose is to show you that you need redemption and then teach you how to fight the fight yourself.

The Minmatar chose to fight us instead of fighting against the sins within themselves. Largely this is simply the spirit of the Minmatar, they rebel against the message of a righteous standard of expectations placed upon them by God and so they rebel against the heralds of that message. The spirit of the Minmatar burns for freedom and it did so long before the Amarr arrived, what little I know of your history reveals that much about you, you're fiercely independent and territorial people.

This naturally clashed with the message of submission and inhibition brought by the Amarr. When the Amarr did as we have always done and impressed the message upon the Minmatar in an attempt to save you in spite of your rebellion, believing that we could show you the truth behind the message and guide you toward God even while you resisted, the opposite effect occurred and the Minmatar rebelled in their hearts first and then physically. Compound this with incidents of unjust stewardship, malpractice in leadership and corruption from those charged with setting the example and guiding those under their charge and it is easy to see why the Minmatar were driven to cast away the chains placed upon them by hypocritical overlords and evil tyrants seeking to suppress their will and deny their independence.

The message may forever be in conflict with the greater majority of the Minmatar (though it is not beyond reception by a few as has been proven through those willingly following the Amarr faith and seeking to share it with their fellow Minmatar), but even the few that can be shown the path to salvation are worth the struggle. While the rebellion was due in part because of our failings as caretakers and guides, it was also due in part to the fiercely independent and strong spirit of the Minmatar people.

It is still our purpose to show you how to fight for redemption before God lest you perish in rebellion against him and we will continue in this purpose. Through the struggle, a few may be saved and that is worth the effort.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#40 - 2012-08-23 13:56:44 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Anslo wrote:
As always, Dos threads end up going to wonderful places.


Do you plan on ever making any comments anywhere that are anything other than cheering on your fellow trolls?


No, not really. Because orderly conduct is boring to me. Stirring the pot, seeing chaos erupt, anger, whatever, it entertains me.


Still waiting on the next CPF Blue season, eh?


Oh gods I hate that show.


What

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.