EVE General Discussion

You'd think maybe someone somewhere would realise making losec appear better for the players who dislike danger isnt going to work. Maybe improving rewards in losec for the players who enjoy the danger would actually make things better by, you know, actually giving players a reason to be there.

No comment on the remove/delay/nerf local threads, since it's not such a big issue in lowsec vs. null.

However, what you seem to be forgetting is, wormholes spawn randomly, yes, but they are 'static' in the sense that unless the timer expires or enough mass goes through to collapse it, you won't need to probe it out again.

Scenario 1: Players spawn randomly when jumping in.
Result: No one gets caught during travel. No PVP occurs.

Scenario 2: Wormhole mechanism is put in place.
Result: That gets camped. This time with no sentries to help the gankee.

Scenario 3: Random spawn. No more WTZ to encourage PVP on the out-gate
Result: The whole travel BM fiasco all over again. More sniper gangs on out-gates

My 2 cents:
I disagree with your views. Also, shouldn't someone who runs for election to represent the playerbase in communications with CCP, at least understand more of the game, and from more than 1 perspective? Also, if you do not know enough about a certain area, it wouldn't hurt to stay out of it, or at least read some of the posts and replies before coming up with blanket statements that hurt both your reputation and/or position.

In reply to your post:
1. Trade at stations, belt ratting/mining/whatever, anomalies, lowsec missions/
They can do that, but THE PROBLEM IS GETTING PAST GATECAMPS. WHICH WILL BE HARDER IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS IMPLEMENTED. 'GETTING PAST' WILL BE HARDER, GATECAMPING WILL BE EASIER. Sorry for the capitalization, this seems to be something that carebears like you can't seem to understand. (you may refer to my wall of text post a few pages back to help you with your understanding)

2. More 'carrots' in lowsec.
Increasing rewards will NOT have as much effects as you think. At what point do these rewards justify the risks? The truly 'risk averse' would STILL not go, even if high sec rewards were nerfed heavily, as ANY risk would still be too much risk for the. Plus the whining would reach epic proportions. The non-risk averse players are ALREADY currently in lowsec, doing their PVE/industry thing, and have enough understanding of game mechanics to know how to avoid gatecamps and pirates.

3. Acknowledgement of players liking the idea, or variations of it.
Do you mean the players that have posted about 'pirate tears', 'ganker tears' etc.? These players have, time and again, showed that they have no understanding of low security, being that their only exposure to it was losing their ship in an unscouted/no intel jump and/or NPC corp chat advice. Either that or they are being deliberately obtuse just to troll. For examples, see posts by Malphilos and Idris in this thread (quoted in my next post for your easy reference).

4. The real discussion is about how to improve low sec for everyone.
No. The real discussion IN THIS THREAD is the title of the thread and contents of the OP. Please learn to stay on topic. In any case, this does not improve lowsec for anyone but gatecampers.

You are clueless.

Gate camps are not prolific. I hop into and out of lowsec many many many times per week and rarely encounter gate camps.

Rancer and Amamake are not indicative of all lowsec/highsec border systems. If you think that, then you're a damned fool.

You might want to start travelling into lowsec, Issler, before spouting off your nonsense.

Didnt mean to quote all that lol just ment quote issla

damn phone lol

I can't believe this discussion is still going after Hans' s post- the proposed changes are scrapped, as they obviously won't lead to intended results and pretty much only have negative effects.

Furthermore, look at the sides of the discussion:

1. People with relevant lowsec experience saying that there really aren't any gate camps outside a few well-known systems.

2. People with 0 lowsec experience saying that gate camps prevent bears from entering lowsec.


Solution to this is to fix NPC corps. Until CCP isolates and removes the root and cause of 99% of carebear contamination, which is the evernoob missioners destroying EVE from new players with bad advice and blatant lies, we players need to find ways to educate new players before they are ruined.

The vicious cycle of carebearism will go on forever is something is not done: A new player starts EVE in a starter corp, and begins exploring New Eden. He asks things in corp chat, and gets answered by 2006 characters. Obviously he will believe these "vets", they have like Caldari Navy Ravens and can SOLO LEVEL 4 MISSIONS OMG so powerful, they must know the game so well. These professional scarebears tell the noob not to go in lowsec, because you will get instakilled by ebil piwates camping every lowsec gate 23/7, and better to be cap stable and save the damsel all day, erry day.

Poor noobs believes these lies, and become professional scarebears, who feed the same lies to other new players.

New players need protection from lies. They need factual advice about game mechanics. They need inspiration and encouragement to leave hisec, and experience EVE at it's finest, flying with buddies.

I also fell for the bear trap, and wasted game time I paid for because I believed their lies for many weeks. Scamming new players like this should be against the EULA. CCP should start moderating the NPC corp chats, and start handing out warnings to players that feed lies to new players. If the warnings are not enough, then temporary bans and finally booting them out of starter corps into the junkyards like Scope. There they can't do any damage among other rejects and failures.

Being able to hang forever in a starter corp is the most broken mechanic in EVE today.

So you are in favor of this then?

Don't ask Issler to explain herself. It's just rude to ask someone to explain themselves when they obviously have no idea.

Seriously, who voted this guy into csm? Don't u need some kind of minimum qualifications for that? Maybe i should run for csm cancelor myself because i also don't know ****. XD

No, skirmishes take place at gates, nobody is saying otherwise. Peeps are just saying that the percieved threat of camps is unjustified.