EVE General Discussion

i 2 haf been SCAM i went 2 traed wit sum1 for a CALDARI NVAY RAEVN but wen i paid i got a CALDARI RAVEN. how did he do it? im sure SEE SEE PEE was behind it and i want my monie or i CALL MY LAWYER

Margin Trading scam - Keeping the bads out since...Forever. Maybe.

Also, for the typical valiant white knight types trying to defend the OP - There's two types of newbies. First one gets scammed, maybe a bit bewildered, asks how it happens. Deserves some sympathy. Second one gets scammed, rages at everyone else but himself, doesn't read links. Deserves mocking.

Greetings,

I, too, am a new player to Eve Online. Less than 2 months old, and let me just say: you got scammed, suck it up and deal with it. You posted a thread blaming CCP before you even tried to get the facts straight on what happened. I didn't know about this scam until now AND I admit I had to reread it twice to understand how it works. But basically, you bought an overpriced item that was close by and tried to sell it for an even more outrageous price. The scammer made sure he didn't have the money to complete the transaction. Nothing 'illegal' (even in the real world) happened here:

1) You agreed to buy an item for more than it was worth. (YOUR CHOICE)
2) You received the item. (perfectly legal sale)
3) You attempted to sell the item for more. (that's fine... that's what trading is all about)
4) The person who 'agreed' to purchase the item did not have the money and therefore did not get the item. (No theft has occurred as you still have the item)
5) You came on the forums and raged because you got suckered.

Let me just tell you now something you should know if real life: READ THE FINE PRINT ON ANY CONTRACT! If you do that in Eve Online the odds of you getting scammed will go down a great deal. Don't jump on a contract, reread it at least twice to make sure that 1 million ship isn't actually contracted for 1 billion. It will save you a lot of grief. And be wary of stuff like this where it seems to be too good to be true: it probably is.

As for taking legal action against CCP if they were an American company. Good luck, when you buy a PLEX you will receive the PLEX. What you do with it in-game is not CCP's problem. If you get scammed out of it, you'll have no legal action as anything that happens in-game you will have AGREED on via EULA. Someone blows up your ship and steals the PLEX you were transporting: you agreed to it in the EULA.

Now, I do feel bad for you and I understand you are upset. However, this is the nature of Eve. There are whole websites devoted to the 'scams of Eve Online'. Its crazy, its intense, and its what attracts a lot of players to Eve Online. I'm bored with WoW, SW:TOR, CoX, and those types of games because there is no risk... even in game terms. Eve Online brings that risk to the forefront and its exciting and what makes Eve great. You got scammed, learn from it and move on. If the person who scammed you reads the forums, he's probably laughing at you. And I'm sure scammers are taking notice of your name as you are making yourself appear to be an easy mark. Bad things happen in Eve, bu the good players accept it and move on.

Now, as for your alliance not paying you for your work: you were there for 2 months? Seriously, if I mined for them and I didn't receive payment after the first week, I'd be suspicious... After the second week, I'd leave. Few RL companies pay on a monthly basis... not sure about Eve corps; but, I'd be uncomfortable being in a corp that only paid monthly. I'm sorry one of your corp members blew up your ship. There isn't much that can be done about that except what you did. Do yourself a favor and make sure you do research before joining any corp. Read the forums, google their name plus the words 'Eve Online' and see if any dirt comes up on them. And I have to say: you were surprised you got treated poorly by an alliance called ****? I tend to shy away from immaturely named corps... because there is generally a reason they used an immature name...

If you decide to stay in Eve, I wish you good luck. I'd also suggest you quit looking for the quick buck.

There are quite some scams out there that work of ... lets call them obvious mistakes in game design.

I do not have a problem with scams, they are great, i have a problem them being enabled by bad programming / not thinking about how mechanics play out. Scamming people should require a little more effort then using a game mechanic that almost looks like it was meant for this. I mean this is probably easier and makes more money then PI

Oh fellow devil dog... I know we get shi7 for being a bit slow at times... but the USMC has no Intel training outside of CI and general analyst. If a marine gets another services school they just put the marine in charge... and it is a debacle. Put yourself in my place... coming out of 29 palms for a year and now you PC an AF "flight"? Man I was a corporal. Those AF guys were steppin' tall and getting inspections twice a week. The chairforce will blow your mind... it's like getting a bunch of recruits. It was really f'd up from a marine perspective. ...but that's really how it goes down. I could tell you stories forever...

I think its a bit unfair to say , getting scammed by a hidden exploitable mechanic to which no newbie is ever alerted to in any way in the tutorial or otherwise in a severely complex game full of exploitable mechanics doesn't make someone that falls for it stupid.

What is stupid is for for a business to lose subscriptions (money) over the existence of exploitable mechanics. The game gains no benefit whatsoever due to the existence of cripplingly broken and completely unnecessary mechanic like the Margin Trading Skill. I call bullshit on anyone who claims to use this skill for any other purpose other than scamming.

The margin trading skill is a complete and utter fail on CCP's part. Of course its easy enough to avoid by experienced players who know about it, but than again when was the last time an experienced player actually paid for a subscription? CCP hasn't seen any actual money from me in quite sometime. Its guys like this noob that pays the bills.

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5/10 troll because of number of responses

To the OP: Facebook stockmarket. The same happened IRL a thousand times over. It's legal dude, ESPECIALLY in the US.

Oh, and one more thing: http://www.kamranlips.nl/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

Who cares about some ISK when you got swag?