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Which is the best L4 PASSIVE tank (solo)

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Lijah Sai
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-08-21 01:34:31 UTC
Preferably caldari or amarr if possible, could you guys suggest a fit and ship
stoicfaux
#2 - 2012-08-21 02:29:22 UTC
Rattlesnake, Navy Scorpion, Drake, Nighthawk in descending order (although drake/nighthawk is debatable.)

You can glean fittings from battleclinic.com or google it.


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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2012-08-21 04:15:28 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Rattlesnake, Navy Scorpion, Drake, Nighthawk in descending order (although drake/nighthawk is debatable.)

You can glean fittings from battleclinic.com or google it.


To which we should add Gila and Ishtar in no particular order as it depends on the rats.
Lijah Sai
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-08-21 10:14:25 UTC
Would anyone even do an L4 with a passive tank? what would you choose to solo L4
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-08-21 10:33:10 UTC
WTB passive armor tank

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

Wuxi Wuxilla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-08-21 10:35:27 UTC
Lijah Sai wrote:
Would anyone even do an L4 with a passive tank? what would you choose to solo L4


For passive tanked L4s I'd probably take out a Rattler. Something like this:

Quote:

[Rattlesnake, L4]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Shield Recharger II
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I


Garde II x5
Bouncer II x5


Tanks between 614 (Sansha/BR) and 1000 (Guristas) dps, does 828 with Garde II and t1 ammo out to 50+12km and 741 dps out to lock range with Bouncer IIs
feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#7 - 2012-08-21 11:32:52 UTC
Fit above is almost exactly what my missioning character uses.
The tank is staggering, although I recommend the 5% shield capacity and 5% shield recharge implants to make it even better.

I use the missiles purely to draw aggro, you can swap them for light assault missiles (or whatever they are called nowadays, rapid fire missiles I think?) to kill close orbiting frigs while your sentries chew up the big stuff if you want to both dps tank and remove any scrams quickly, your dps is in your drones and quite often they will pop targets before the cruises even arrive.

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#8 - 2012-08-21 15:34:44 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
WTB passive armor tank



QFT

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Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-08-21 22:20:31 UTC
As I now dual box, I use a Rattler for pure tank, only 1 tracking link and drone damage mod, only T1 drones because I don't pay much attention to the toon.

If time is *not* an issue, (as in, you start a mission, and will go AFK for longer than it will take to finish), then you can go for a truly massive tank that does only about 300 DPS


SPRs and PDUs may be mixed in the lows as needed for cap stability (PDUs still give a 15% peak recharge rate boost to shields, while also giving that same boost to cap, whereas SPRs give a 31% peak recharge rate boost, but have a massive 35% penalty to cap recharge rate... I also like the bit of a buffer boost the PDUs give).

You cal also use the not- too expensive C-type passive resists (which with appropriate comp skills are better than T1 hardener) In which case you need no cap, and can do all SPRs instead of some SPRs and some PDUs (though I haven't determined if its worth it.

For Wuxi Wuxilla's fit, if you are going for maximum tank, lets simply swap the 3x drone link augmenters for 3x PDUIIs (so it won't cause cap issues, and you'll be better off against neuting enemies you could probably manage with 2x PDU and another SPR):
Max cap increases by 15.7%
Recharge time is reduced to 76.6%
So peakcap GJ/second is boosted by 51.1%

The same goes for shield... a 1,000 DPS tank becomes a 1,500 DPS tank... but wait, there's more
You can ditch the omni links for shield recharger IIs (at this point, they give about the same recharge/sec as LSEs, without boosting sig radius)
So that boosts shield recharge by (1/0.85)^2 = 38.4%

Multiply those two together (the number for swapping damage mods for PDUs, and the tracking links for rechargers), and you get 2.09

You've now doubled your tank.
Or rather, increased it by 109%
A 1,000 DPS tank turns into a 2090 DPS tank with a lot more cap to run the hardeners.

It may not be fast, but it is "safe" most missions you can get aggro, release a flight of hammerheads or Ogres, and walk away.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#10 - 2012-08-22 06:02:47 UTC
I use a nighthawk myself and it is cap stable I don't have 1000000000000 DPS but I get the job done without warping out cause I'm out of cap or along those lines, I have excellent resist across the board and I can say through experience I love my passive nighthawk with medium shield booster. you'll love it if you want a ship that can take a beating otherwise get a tengu.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#11 - 2012-08-22 06:33:52 UTC
I have both a passive and active shield Nighthawk, I used to love the passive one for level 4s until I tried the active one. Now the passive is just for level 5s while the active completes level 4s much faster and has a much better tank and higher dps. I also have a Rattlesnake but I find using drones for missions to be rather boring though there is nothing that will dent the shields on that thing, its a beast.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#12 - 2012-08-22 15:45:19 UTC
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:
Lijah Sai wrote:
Would anyone even do an L4 with a passive tank? what would you choose to solo L4


For passive tanked L4s I'd probably take out a Rattler. Something like this:

Quote:

[Rattlesnake, L4]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Shield Recharger II
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I


Garde II x5
Bouncer II x5


Tanks between 614 (Sansha/BR) and 1000 (Guristas) dps, does 828 with Garde II and t1 ammo out to 50+12km and 741 dps out to lock range with Bouncer IIs


I really like that. I'll start cross-training Gallente tonight.

How would one modify that fit to solo Lvl 5s?

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Transient Drifter
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-08-22 15:45:29 UTC
I feel like my drake is one of the best passive tanked ships, that i have access to.

I can run most 4s without real trouble... you start to run into problems when you cannot use the drakes speed, to dictate engagement range.

The missions that dump you into brawling range can be a death sentence, when the web/scram frigates get ahold of you.

unfortunately, my caldari BS skills blow, so i haven't had the opportunity to setup a mission runner in that ship type.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#14 - 2012-08-22 15:51:47 UTC
Transient Drifter wrote:
I feel like my drake is one of the best passive tanked ships, that i have access to.

I can run most 4s without real trouble... you start to run into problems when you cannot use the drakes speed, to dictate engagement range.

The missions that dump you into brawling range can be a death sentence, when the web/scram frigates get ahold of you.

unfortunately, my caldari BS skills blow, so i haven't had the opportunity to setup a mission runner in that ship type.


I'm not sure how you set your Drake up, but I put a passive fit on mine last night and it was insane doing Lvl 4s solo. No problems tanking damage whatsoever. Just read the mission report beforehand and make sure you have 2 each of the correct resist amps fitted. The only thing slowing down mission completion was the reduced damage of HMs on BSs compared to CMs.

It's not the best choice for doing Lvl 4s, but makes a nice change from flying a CNR from time to time Big smile

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Vrykolakasis
Sparrowhawks Corp
#15 - 2012-08-22 18:37:33 UTC
Rattlesnake looks fun to fly *if* you only tank it to a portion of its full tank potential and put the rest towards damage application. I know that the question is asking which is the strongest tank, but you also mention L4s, so I think you really honestly don't need the highest tank of all of the ships. If you can tank 600-800 dps (800 is high but makes high-dps rooms and full spawn/room aggro a lot more comfortable) and put the rest towards damage, the ship with the best damage application is the one to go for.
Din Chao
#16 - 2012-08-22 18:53:34 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Transient Drifter wrote:
I feel like my drake is one of the best passive tanked ships, that i have access to.

I can run most 4s without real trouble... you start to run into problems when you cannot use the drakes speed, to dictate engagement range.

The missions that dump you into brawling range can be a death sentence, when the web/scram frigates get ahold of you.

unfortunately, my caldari BS skills blow, so i haven't had the opportunity to setup a mission runner in that ship type.


I'm not sure how you set your Drake up, but I put a passive fit on mine last night and it was insane doing Lvl 4s solo. No problems tanking damage whatsoever. Just read the mission report beforehand and make sure you have 2 each of the correct resist amps fitted. The only thing slowing down mission completion was the reduced damage of HMs on BSs compared to CMs.

It's not the best choice for doing Lvl 4s, but makes a nice change from flying a CNR from time to time Big smile

I used to dual-box L4s with a tank/cruiser-busting Drake and a DPS Raven. The Drake could easily draw all the aggro in any room, but you're right, the DPS on the Drake makes L4s take way too long.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-08-22 22:34:03 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
I use a nighthawk myself and it is cap stable I don't have 1000000000000 DPS but I get the job done without warping out cause I'm out of cap or along those lines, I have excellent resist across the board and I can say through experience I love my passive nighthawk with medium shield booster. you'll love it if you want a ship that can take a beating otherwise get a tengu.


...It's not passive if you're using a shield booster.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-08-23 11:13:55 UTC
Depends on your definition...

If it is cap stable with the booster... then as far as playing is concerned, you activate hardeners and booster, then your done, and the tank requires no further input from you, its passive as far as gameplay within the mission is concerned.

But I agree that this is not the commonly agreed definition for passive - and it would require input from the player if there was heavy neuting.

But the same goes for hardeners, some only consider it a true passive tank if there are no hardeners either (or if there are, they don't need to be on, such as 1 invuln field providing +15% omni resists instead of +30% omni resists due to lvl 5 comp skills)