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Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-08-22 20:38:43 UTC
Alfred Lim wrote:
That why I say, why play a game where you get scam every corner? Some say that this is like real life, I beg the different, because in real life you wouldn't dare scam a person outright. I am looking for a game that I can enjoy, pve or pvp. But definitely not a game that would make you emotional angry every now and then you get grief or scam. Why play a game then if the game would only make you unhappy?

Yeah, Margin scam, Plex scam and the whole lot of different scam that evolve Eve daily. So is that all what Eve is all about? For the last 2 months I had been scam by P.I.S.S. alliance where I have to contribute all my PI and mine 5hrs of ice each day where promise of payment for my services but eventually nothing and my badger got blow up by blue cos the person wants his killmail to look good and alliance did nothing. I spent another 2 weeks moving my stuff out and settling down from null sec to back to high sec...just to con again.

Eve is all about nothing but being con or go con some1 else :(



Now I think you are trolling.I really hope you do ,cause this is just to much .
Equus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-08-22 20:38:47 UTC
Alfred Lim wrote:
.... because in real life you wouldn't dare scam a person outright.


Have you ever been in sales? Hell, there was an article some time ago that argued saying people with sociopathic tendencies make better CEO's and business men/women because they have no apathy for those the step on on their way to the top.
Rengerel en Distel
#43 - 2012-08-22 20:39:06 UTC
Alfred Lim wrote:
That why I say, why play a game where you get scam every corner? Some say that this is like real life, I beg the different, because in real life you wouldn't dare scam a person outright. I am looking for a game that I can enjoy, pve or pvp. But definitely not a game that would make you emotional angry every now and then you get grief or scam. Why play a game then if the game would only make you unhappy?

Yeah, Margin scam, Plex scam and the whole lot of different scam that evolve Eve daily. So is that all what Eve is all about? For the last 2 months I had been scam by P.I.S.S. alliance where I have to contribute all my PI and mine 5hrs of ice each day where promise of payment for my services but eventually nothing and my badger got blow up by blue cos the person wants his killmail to look good and alliance did nothing. I spent another 2 weeks moving my stuff out and settling down from null sec to back to high sec...just to con again.

Eve is all about nothing but being con or go con some1 else :(



CCP can't fix stupid, sorry.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Alfred Lim
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-08-22 20:40:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Alfred Lim
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Alfred Lim wrote:
That why I say, why play a game where you get scam every corner? Some say that this is like real life, I beg the different, because in real life you wouldn't dare scam a person outright. I am looking for a game that I can enjoy, pve or pvp. But definitely not a game that would make you emotional angry every now and then you get grief or scam. Why play a game then if the game would only make you unhappy?

Yeah, Margin scam, Plex scam and the whole lot of different scam that evolve Eve daily. So is that all what Eve is all about? For the last 2 months I had been scam by P.I.S.S. alliance where I have to contribute all my PI and mine 5hrs of ice each day where promise of payment for my services but eventually nothing and my badger got blow up by blue cos the person wants his killmail to look good and alliance did nothing. I spent another 2 weeks moving my stuff out and settling down from null sec to back to high sec...just to con again.

Eve is all about nothing but being con or go con some1 else :(



CCP can't fix stupid, sorry.


So when you get rob in real world, you accept it when the authorities tells you they can't fix weak cos you are one? You speak like you are CCP....are you MotherFuxker?
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#45 - 2012-08-22 20:42:45 UTC
Alfred Lim wrote:
That why I say, why play a game where you get scam every corner? Some say that this is like real life, I beg the different, because in real life you wouldn't dare scam a person outright. I am looking for a game that I can enjoy, pve or pvp. But definitely not a game that would make you emotional angry every now and then you get grief or scam. Why play a game then if the game would only make you unhappy?

Yeah, Margin scam, Plex scam and the whole lot of different scam that evolve Eve daily. So is that all what Eve is all about? For the last 2 months I had been scam by P.I.S.S. alliance where I have to contribute all my PI and mine 5hrs of ice each day where promise of payment for my services but eventually nothing and my badger got blow up by blue cos the person wants his killmail to look good and alliance did nothing. I spent another 2 weeks moving my stuff out and settling down from null sec to back to high sec...just to con again.

Eve is all about nothing but being con or go con some1 else :(

To weed out the chumps. If EvE was easy it wouldn't be fun. You can keep the toolbags on the sidelines of WoW by scamming all of their money, which funds your adventures and keeps your enemies frosty and smart. I actually have grown to appreciate losses more, because I always learn something. I wouldn't have losses if my opponents were dumb. When I'm feeling stupid and tired I play Halo for the easy, meaningless kills. When I want a challenge EvE is the only place I can get one.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#46 - 2012-08-22 20:43:26 UTC
Alfred Lim wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Alfred Lim wrote:
That why I say, why play a game where you get scam every corner? Some say that this is like real life, I beg the different, because in real life you wouldn't dare scam a person outright. I am looking for a game that I can enjoy, pve or pvp. But definitely not a game that would make you emotional angry every now and then you get grief or scam. Why play a game then if the game would only make you unhappy?

Yeah, Margin scam, Plex scam and the whole lot of different scam that evolve Eve daily. So is that all what Eve is all about? For the last 2 months I had been scam by P.I.S.S. alliance where I have to contribute all my PI and mine 5hrs of ice each day where promise of payment for my services but eventually nothing and my badger got blow up by blue cos the person wants his killmail to look good and alliance did nothing. I spent another 2 weeks moving my stuff out and settling down from null sec to back to high sec...just to con again.

Eve is all about nothing but being con or go con some1 else :(



CCP can't fix stupid, sorry.


So when you get rob in real world, you accept it when the authorities tells you they can't fix weak cos you are one? You speak like you are CCP....are you MotherFuxker?



How many Nigerian Scams have you read about that have a happy ending?

Also, can you translate the part in bold please?

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **
Alfred Lim
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-08-22 20:44:59 UTC
I insult no one in my post, I expect the same.I appreciate those who explain kindly but those who thinks your old timer in the game that you know it all and that I should take all your insult just make me sick and make yourself even dumber than i was.
Jullian Valdexron
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
#48 - 2012-08-22 20:45:55 UTC
I think EVE should have a minimum age requirement of 14 to avoid stuff like this.
Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining and Salvage
#49 - 2012-08-22 20:46:20 UTC
Like everyone has said here, it's a Margin scam.

While I am fine with people scamming, it does kinda suck when the scam happens because of poor design. If I join a corp, put in the time to get access to their assets/funds and then rip them off - that's a scam worthy of Eve's scamocity. When a system mechanic allows players to utilize poor design in this way (or like the trade window scam) then that's kinda lame.

Either way, don't cry about it - A) it won't change B) scammers love your tears almost as much as your isk - don' give them the satisfaction.

Add them as a contact, build up a ship and kick them in the ass if they ever go into Null.

I got scammed once, it took me 8 months but I found the ****** in the right place at the right time and I made him pay (as much as one can in internet spaceship terms).

As unhealthy as it was, the burning hatred that I had for that POS fueled my gameplay and gave me laser like focus - one purpose, to hang his frozen corpse from my fireplace with candy canes sticking out of his ass like some sort of twisted x-mas stocking. His head on front of my CNR. His eyes blown out from the vacuum of space - jamming Tritanium into his lifeless eye sockets like a Jackolantern from Hell....sorry I digress.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#50 - 2012-08-22 20:51:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
Alfred Lim wrote:
I insult no one in my post, I expect the same.I appreciate those who explain kindly but those who thinks your old timer in the game that you know it all and that I should take all your insult just make me sick and make yourself even dumber than i was.

You just need to grow a thicker skin and stop expecting people to hold your dik while you pee.

I don't know... try shoots and ladders or something. Everyone in EvE is trying to kill everyone else. Your story isn't even a good one. People loose billions upon billions in single scams every week! They aren't on here crying about getting taken. Hell, I seldom even get an evemail anymore when I scam someone... (...and just a note, I started scamming after falling for a scam myself)

Jullian Valdexron wrote:
I think EVE should have a minimum age requirement of 14 to avoid stuff like this.

...I thought it did. >.>

Toroup wrote:
I got scammed once, it took me 8 months but I found the ****** in the right place at the right time and I made him pay (as much as one can in internet spaceship terms).

As unhealthy as it was, the burning hatred that I had for that POS fueled my gameplay and gave me laser like focus - one purpose, to hang his frozen corpse from my fireplace with candy canes sticking out of his ass like some sort of twisted x-mas stocking. His head on front of my CNR. His eyes blown out from the vacuum of space - jamming Tritanium into his lifeless eye sockets like a Jackolantern from Hell....sorry I digress.

This is EvE ^^^

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#51 - 2012-08-22 20:52:54 UTC
He lost what, 300 isk, right? PLEX is currently 500 isk, so that's 3/5ths of 14.99 USD in terms of 'one month rental'.

I see the lawsuit launched for 8.99 and emotional suffering damages because "Someone in iceland's code did not protect me" going over real well.
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-08-22 20:54:24 UTC
There are still chumps out there who fall for this scam? Wow.

And it's not like there's some deep and subtle in-game knowledge required to avoid it. Just the basic stuff your parents should have taught you as a toddler: if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

On the other hand, every EVE player has a story of getting suckered or scammed by someone. Like losing ships, it happens. Learn from it and move on. If you're really feeling vengeful, wardec the corp that scammed you and go hunting for them. Or hire some mercs do it for you. Or think up a really nasty con and run it on the scammers themselves.
Jim Era
#53 - 2012-08-22 20:55:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jim Era
Alfred Lim wrote:
Jim Era wrote:
lol, new players trying to market PvP
learn to play before you make these ridiculous accusations.



So you expect everyone to read every single post in to the forum before you actually play the game? You dumb enough to shove this off


Well I would expect you to do some research.
I don't know all about margin scams and that ****, but, since I do not know, I do NOT try to do it.
its just funny that you are blaming ccp, you are terrible. and for that I am angry at you and will try my best to make your time in eve extremely costly.
scamming is a main artery of eve...betrayal, etc
its all part of the universe.


deal with it.

btw, I gave away over 600m this week to new players that I noticed or thought might be struggling.
They were not whining, or asking for money. So I gave them money because they had good attitudes in a tough environment.
But you, you deserve to have everything taken from you because of your entitled attitude.

Wat™
BearJews
Order of Extrodinary Gentlemen
#54 - 2012-08-22 20:58:49 UTC
Lol, a ton of people have fallen for that scam, me included. And I would have never found out about it until i've been scammed. Which i'm sure applies to 90% of the people posting "You are a moran, don't you read!!!" on this forum.

I think it's complete bull crap that ccp allows it, but whatever. I moved on and so should you. You live and learn
Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-08-22 20:59:23 UTC
jagged alliance lol

i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197433
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#56 - 2012-08-22 20:59:55 UTC
Alfred Lim wrote:
Jim Era wrote:
lol, new players trying to market PvP
learn to play before you make these ridiculous accusations.



So you expect everyone to read every single post in to the forum before you actually play the game? You dumb enough to shove this off


No but seeing as you're in an alliance it could be assumed that there would be more experienced players in it that could explain this to you or point you to the information as we have.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Swordfingers
The Swollen Horse Society
#57 - 2012-08-22 21:00:48 UTC
Margin trading is an awesome skill. It allows traders to have more concurrent buy orders, which increases the isk sink through taxes (not much, but still) and parts fools like you with money they didn't deserve. All of that being valid uses within gameplay mechanics.
If you don't like that, then unsub, state 'ME NO LIEK SCAMERZ' as reason and be gone. No one is going to miss you.

p.s.: I'm seriously very interested what would you do if CCP was an american company? Really just tell me, pretty please :)
Arrgthepirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-08-22 21:03:00 UTC
Hahahahahahaha
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#59 - 2012-08-22 21:05:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
BearJews wrote:
Lol, a ton of people have fallen for that scam, me included. And I would have never found out about it until i've been scammed. Which i'm sure applies to 90% of the people posting "You are a moran, don't you read!!!" on this forum.

I think it's complete bull crap that ccp allows it, but whatever. I moved on and so should you. You live and learn

Well... if there's a problem with the margin trading scam it's that it is so subtle. I've never done a margin trading scam... and really I think it would be worth mentioning that kind of scam in the tutorial. The difference between the margin scam and every other scam is that in any other scam you fall for, you ultimately fell for it because YOU DIDN'T READ WHAT YOU WERE DOING. The margin scam is the only one that really doesn't have a warning. You can walk into it with no indication that the market buy order is unfunded. I could get behind a column on the market that showed what percentage of the order is funded. Just having that column there would solve the principal of the problem, imho. If people are stupid that's on them... but in the margin scam the market numbers themselves are lying to the player... that might not be OK.

With regards to the Margin Trading skill itself and the way I use it, it wouldn't really affect me at all of there were a % funded column. I place bids that are priced to compete and have a min order of 1. I don't think someone would hesitate to sell to me because my orders are only 30% or whatever funded. If someone wanted to execute a large order they could just break it into stacks and sell incrementally.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-08-22 21:06:02 UTC
Swordfingers wrote:
Margin trading is an awesome skill. It allows traders to have more concurrent buy orders, which increases the isk sink through taxes (not much, but still) and parts fools like you with money they didn't deserve. All of that being valid uses within gameplay mechanics.
If you don't like that, then unsub, state 'ME NO LIEK SCAMERZ' as reason and be gone. No one is going to miss you.

p.s.: I'm seriously very interested what would you do if CCP was an american company? Really just tell me, pretty please :)


It's a variation on fractional-reserve banking, without which which RL banks (or EVE banks, for that matter) couldn't operate. If everyone showed up and demanded their deposits in full, banks would immediately go bust.

Margin trading is similar, only with buy/sell orders. It allows a player to have more buy orders active than they have actual ISK in their accounts. For players engaged in heavy market activity, this is a must, otherwise too much ISK would be tied up in escrow. Lots of orders can take days, weeks, or even months to fill.