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Smallish group looking for best fit WH
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Maker Atavuli
Atavuli Exploration Society
#1 - 2012-08-22 14:32:05 UTC
Ok so we have 5 players all are at least dual boxing and ready to move into a empty WH. We all have WH living experience. I was thinking of a C4 with a C3 static and no variable. I would love to hear your input on what you live in and why. For the plan is to live in a C3 or greater and roll the static for combat sites and pew pew. You thoughts are appreciated.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-08-22 14:45:34 UTC
One thread not enough for you?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Maker Atavuli
Atavuli Exploration Society
#3 - 2012-08-22 14:52:21 UTC
ok i may have commited a forum Faux pas. Some forums like to have diffrent questions in diffrent threads. If so im sorry.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-08-22 15:05:03 UTC
If farming C3's is one of your goals either a C4/C3 or a C2/C3 would be best.

C4's have the advantage of being easier to maintain security, with only one static. Harder logistics as you will always have at least one WH jump before reaching K-space. Potentially quieter.

C2/C3 gives you many more options.

You can go with static HS for easy logistics. Possibly easier recruiting (for people who want WH life, but not lost in a C4). Easier sites for when nobody is on (C4's are generally not soloable).

You can go static LS for easy access to LS fun

Or if you are bold, a static 0.0, which gives lots of fun pew pew opportunities. With still relatively easy access to empire from your static C3.
Le'Mon Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-08-22 16:05:43 UTC
Personally, a C2 static C4 static high seems like the best option for a smaller group. Easy logistics, and decent money if the C4 has sites. If it doesn't, roll the hole and try again.

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Marsan
#6 - 2012-08-22 16:20:00 UTC
It's best to spend a week or 2 scanning down wornholes from HS and running the sites if you are new to WH life. Just head out to a empty section of HS and start scanning. Then I'd stick to c2-3s with HS static until you get a feel for WH life. Then you might be ready for C4 life. Just be sure to read up on the sites and their triggers or bad things will happen.

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Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#7 - 2012-08-22 16:24:02 UTC
Le'Mon Tichim wrote:
Personally, a C2 static C4 static high seems like the best option for a smaller group. Easy logistics, and decent money if the C4 has sites. If it doesn't, roll the hole and try again.



Wrong.

Logistics is easy. Defending ain't.

C4/c3 is what you wanna do.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-08-22 16:33:25 UTC
youre never going to find an unoccupied c2 with hs/c4 statics anyway.
c4s are easy to find tho.

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Le'Mon Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-08-22 16:49:48 UTC
Archdaimon wrote:
Le'Mon Tichim wrote:
Personally, a C2 static C4 static high seems like the best option for a smaller group. Easy logistics, and decent money if the C4 has sites. If it doesn't, roll the hole and try again.



Wrong.

Logistics is easy. Defending ain't.

C4/c3 is what you wanna do.



Well, no, defending wouldn't be easy for a small group anyway. It's a relatively moot point anyway. If someone wants you dead enough, it doesn't matter how "easy" a hole is to defend. They're going to lock you in and kill you.

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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#10 - 2012-08-22 19:30:02 UTC
Its just that no one bothers invading c4's. Safest place in w-space.
Maker Atavuli
Atavuli Exploration Society
#11 - 2012-08-22 20:17:56 UTC
I know from experience that C4's with low sec statics are typically empty. Running C4 combat sites are over our comfort level most ladar and grav sites are no problem. C3's on the other hand typically take 2 of us to run and one to salvage. We have run C3 sites with up to 5 players and they can be done very fast. I spend as much time in low sec as I do in high so I agree with Archdaimon a few extra runs in a prowler (cloaky hualer) vs just plowing in with the orca makes no diffrence to me. Defence is a relative thing, prior to an operation we pull the unused holes to critical. It's not the best but we also leave alts on the rabbit holes with the holes set to "look at" and the souds jacked up there is no doubt when you are not alone. Lets face it **** the guys off on the other side of that K162 you didnt really know you had and it's gonna get ugly as all get out anyway.

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Ashimat
Clandestine Services
#12 - 2012-08-23 06:50:15 UTC
Are you guys US or EU?

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Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-08-23 07:33:59 UTC
Maker Atavuli wrote:
I know from experience that C4's with low sec statics are typically empty.


Yeah, kind of... they are emtied to no-existence Big smile
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#14 - 2012-08-23 08:26:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
Maker Atavuli wrote:
I know from experience that C4's with low sec statics are typically empty. Running C4 combat sites are over our comfort level most ladar and grav sites are no problem. C3's on the other hand typically take 2 of us to run and one to salvage. We have run C3 sites with up to 5 players and they can be done very fast. I spend as much time in low sec as I do in high so I agree with Archdaimon a few extra runs in a prowler (cloaky hualer) vs just plowing in with the orca makes no diffrence to me. Defence is a relative thing, prior to an operation we pull the unused holes to critical. It's not the best but we also leave alts on the rabbit holes with the holes set to "look at" and the souds jacked up there is no doubt when you are not alone. Lets face it **** the guys off on the other side of that K162 you didnt really know you had and it's gonna get ugly as all get out anyway.



You seem to have things sorted pretty well. Go with you insticts I say.

C4s with 2/3 tengus are pretty easy. I`ll be happy to pass a fit that I "developed" for those.... " D E V E LO P E D ", not stole.

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Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#15 - 2012-08-23 14:54:17 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
youre never going to find an unoccupied c2 with hs/c4 statics anyway.
c4s are easy to find tho.


True. But oh have I got a deal for you. Lol Does "almost" unoccupied work? Big smile C2 with Static C4/HS and good PI. Convo me in-game. Definitely a profitable home for even a small group.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-08-23 15:13:52 UTC
Maker Atavuli wrote:
I know from experience that C4's with low sec statics...


Do not exist.
Maker Atavuli
Atavuli Exploration Society
#17 - 2012-08-23 16:57:28 UTC
Derath I stand corrected sir. I intended to say WH's in general with low sec entrances. Nice catch Lol

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Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#18 - 2012-08-24 06:42:44 UTC
Le'Mon Tichim wrote:
Archdaimon wrote:
Le'Mon Tichim wrote:
Personally, a C2 static C4 static high seems like the best option for a smaller group. Easy logistics, and decent money if the C4 has sites. If it doesn't, roll the hole and try again.



Wrong.

Logistics is easy. Defending ain't.

C4/c3 is what you wanna do.



Well, no, defending wouldn't be easy for a small group anyway. It's a relatively moot point anyway. If someone wants you dead enough, it doesn't matter how "easy" a hole is to defend. They're going to lock you in and kill you.



5 people with the ability to control pos guns is pretty much invincible in wormhole space.

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Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#19 - 2012-08-24 06:43:50 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
Maker Atavuli wrote:
I know from experience that C4's with low sec statics are typically empty. Running C4 combat sites are over our comfort level most ladar and grav sites are no problem. C3's on the other hand typically take 2 of us to run and one to salvage. We have run C3 sites with up to 5 players and they can be done very fast. I spend as much time in low sec as I do in high so I agree with Archdaimon a few extra runs in a prowler (cloaky hualer) vs just plowing in with the orca makes no diffrence to me. Defence is a relative thing, prior to an operation we pull the unused holes to critical. It's not the best but we also leave alts on the rabbit holes with the holes set to "look at" and the souds jacked up there is no doubt when you are not alone. Lets face it **** the guys off on the other side of that K162 you didnt really know you had and it's gonna get ugly as all get out anyway.



You seem to have things sorted pretty well. Go with you insticts I say.

C4s with 2/3 tengus are pretty easy. I`ll be happy to pass a fit that I "developed" for those.... " D E V E LO P E D ", not stole.



With 5 people, i would fit up 4 machariels and 1 self tanked scimi (a pith a-type works), true sansha smartbombs 2 1400s 2 800s, and youll go 3x as fast as tengus

thats what we did in c4s ;)

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Ashimat
Clandestine Services
#20 - 2012-08-24 06:55:45 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
5 people with the ability to control pos guns is pretty much invincible in wormhole space.

Haha, that's a few famous last words if I ever heard it.

Gunners are a bloody annoyance for an attacker, that's for sure, but even the best POS gunner tend to be offline from time to time, ya know?

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