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Question for CCP: Medal for Capturing Every System?
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#21 - 2012-08-22 14:31:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
The reality of the situation is that a total warzone control result (ie all systems flipped) would actually be a very significant achievement (especially since it now takes 5x longer to capture systems than it used to take - and you can't dock in the systems you are contesting). Lets remember Caldari got their recognition when system ownership meant nothing and could be flipped in a fraction of the time.

That said, I do tend to believe that CCP's effective abandonment of roleplaying in the game coupled with extremely limited development assets means any new content to recognize the Minmatar achievement is pretty unlikely. At CCP's current levels of productivity it would take several weeks of programming and diverting an entire art team from ship design to roll-out a medal and I'm sure management would point out more important priorities.

Still maybe they'll surprise us Cool

I think Minmatar Militia *Should* get some recognition for the victory. (I'd personally prefer some plotline development and IC news development) but if a medal for active fighters is the only option then lets do it. Ideally should be *only* for characters who have appeared on a 24th Crusade lossmail over the last 3 months.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#22 - 2012-08-22 14:35:49 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
As a player on the receiving end, I would say the Caldari flipping all of Gallente systems was a great achievement. First time is always harder. And they kept all the systems for 6 months too.

LOL, maybe CCP should open Providence up to FW as reward. Talk about drama.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#23 - 2012-08-22 14:48:11 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
The reality of the situation is that a total warzone control result (ie all systems flipped) would actually be a very significant achievement (especially since it now takes 5x longer to capture systems than it used to take - and you can't dock in the systems you are contesting). Lets remember Caldari got their recognition when system ownership meant nothing and could be flipped in a fraction of the time.

That said, I do tend to believe that CCP's effective abandonment of roleplaying in the game coupled with extremely limited development assets means any new content to recognize the Minmatar achievement is pretty unlikely. At CCP's current levels of productivity it would take several weeks of programming and diverting an entire art team from ship design to roll-out a medal and I'm sure management would point out more important priorities.

Still maybe they'll surprise us Cool

I think Minmatar Militia *Should* get some recognition for the victory. (I'd personally prefer some plotline development and IC news development) but if a medal for active fighters is the only option then lets do it. Ideally should be *only* for characters who have appeared on a 24th Crusade lossmail over the last 3 months.



I would say both achievements are of extremely limitted merit. But the caldari at least fought though the beginning times when people were at least thinking fw occupancy had something to do with pvp.

That time has long passed for anyone who is the least bit unbiased and understands how this war was "won."

To say the no docking rule made the minmatars job harder takes some real spin. Wasn't amarr the one who couldn't dock in the vast majority of systems when ccp decided to change the rules?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#24 - 2012-08-22 15:00:25 UTC
Cearain wrote:
To say the no docking rule made the minmatars job harder takes some real spin. Wasn't amarr the one who couldn't dock in the vast majority of systems when ccp decided to change the rules?


Well 24th was in control of the vast majority of the warzone a couple of weeks ago when the other side couldn't dock. That very much counts as a realtime "reset" of the occupancy system surely?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#25 - 2012-08-22 15:17:55 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Cearain wrote:
To say the no docking rule made the minmatars job harder takes some real spin. Wasn't amarr the one who couldn't dock in the vast majority of systems when ccp decided to change the rules?


Well 24th was in control of the vast majority of the warzone a couple of weeks ago when the other side couldn't dock. That very much counts as a realtime "reset" of the occupancy system surely?



I think we needed to hit 60% to hit tier 4. Is that the vast majority?

Well whatever, since we came back from starting out locked out of over 80% of systems amarr should get a statue of a farmer too!

Empress brandishing a hoe out of the window of a merlin or something.

The plexing mechanic is such a bad pve mechanic this thread is just plain silly. Jade, the sooner you realize this the more fun you will have.

Trying to make serious arguments about how this "accomplishment" deserves a medal is unbecoming.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#26 - 2012-08-22 15:20:28 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
The reality of the situation is that a total warzone control result (ie all systems flipped) would actually be a very significant achievement (especially since it now takes 5x longer to capture systems than it used to take - and you can't dock in the systems you are contesting). Lets remember Caldari got their recognition when system ownership meant nothing and could be flipped in a fraction of the time.


This is so much bullcrap I cannot believe it.

Takes 5 x longer to capture. Sadly those plexes spawn every 30 minutes and not 1 per day as used to be the case meaning even in best of cases offensive system took well over a week of work and most cases, much longer. Basicly you had to CTA every swinging **** for dt and do it for six months as Caldari did.

Only illusion about "taken in fraction of a time" was because after Caldari had occupied everything for months, CCP altered plex spawn mechanics (unannounced) so that hostile sovereignty always got a ton of plexes at every dt and made it humanely impossible to hold on to everything so that gallente militias whiny "casual guys" could have a go at occupancy war too instead of, you know, putting some effort to it.

And since that system was in place when Caldari rampaged through Metropolis, I can see why you might appear clueless but frankly I think you just think you want to portray yourself as person who achieved something noteworthy. Hint, you didnt.

But hey, it's just one of the bones that CCP gave to their favoured side, along with unannounced caldari NPC (= lets remove ewar from them before everyone else) nerf for example.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#27 - 2012-08-22 15:34:18 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
You young players have it easy.

Back in the day we had to scan for plexes multiple times for one system - twice for each planet because of range limitations and the fact that the scanners didn't give out 100% hits! And it took forever! We had to get up at 4am to defensive plex because of the after downtime reset feature! We had to plex in crappy systems in hopes that they would respawn in a system we cared about! Every day! With ZERO financial reward. We had to leave theater to make isk because they didn't pay you for running plexes, and the standings hits for FW missions was too severe if you failed one.

So quit yer whining, and show some respect! Freaking noobs.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#28 - 2012-08-22 15:37:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
bloody hell,

Since its now so amazingly easy to crush the enemy militia and take all their systems ...

Maybe the Amarrians should get a medal instead for losing this war!

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#29 - 2012-08-22 15:46:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
X Gallentius wrote:
Old grognard complaining about those darn kids...


If you start giving out medals for this kind of farmville, by all means do it. But then you better make sure you toss all the old Cal/Gal old guys LP according to their earned victory points who actually did what they did for king and country aka for grins and giggles.
Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#30 - 2012-08-22 15:46:48 UTC
Why have a post titled "Question for CCP" here?

A) When was the last time they listened to anything constructive regarding FW?
B) When was the last time you saw a post with a blue tag next to it?

They don't give to fucks about this sub-forum and also think FW is a huge success, so why change?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#31 - 2012-08-22 16:05:10 UTC
We should get a medal.

And it should read:

They Adapted

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#32 - 2012-08-22 16:10:36 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Yuri Intaki wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Old grognard complaining about those darn kids...
If you start giving out medals for this kind of farmville, by all means do it. But then you better make sure you toss all the old Cal/Gal old guys LP according to their earned victory points who actually did what they did for king and country aka for grins and giggles.
I wrote that post in jest, but the more I reflect on it the more I realize the current set of FW players are a bunch of freaking pansies who want everything handed to them on a silver platter. HTFU, and STFU you whiners. You never had it so good! Big smile
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#33 - 2012-08-22 17:45:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuri Intaki
For once I can agree with X Gal here. You people have no clue on the level of dedication it took for Caldari to do what we did in the beginning and with old mechanics. How many tight fights, plexes saved on last second and times our morale was at rock bottom but we got together "for one more go to finish the job".

As epeen waving as it sounds like, you had to be there. Kruger81, Cosmic Raider, Logan Xerxes, Ladel Teravada, Toonu and many many others, even on the Gallente side like Hussain who never stopped fighting even when everyone else had thrown in the towel.

Do not diminish the legacy of these people because CCP suddenly made it so massive number of farming alts who never shot their guns in anger can do more than actual people flying pvp boats.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#34 - 2012-08-22 17:51:58 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
bloody hell,

Since its now so amazingly easy to crush the enemy militia and take all their systems ...

Maybe the Amarrians should get a medal instead for losing this war!



No one said farming is easy. You just don't normally get a medal for it.

Maybe all minmatar should get a cow.

We already have that in eve don't we? One could just spawn in your cargo after all the systems fall.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#35 - 2012-08-22 18:34:47 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Maybe the Amarrians should get a medal instead for losing this war!

Kids nowadays get medals for participating in activities. So, no. Lol
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-08-22 19:00:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Do not diminish the legacy of these people because CCP suddenly made it so massive number of farming alts who never shot their guns in anger can do more than actual people flying pvp boats.

I was talking to Hans last night, about the medal. I was mentioning that the medal would be nice to have, but that there's no bragging or e-peen to go along with it. The Amarr have rolled over to play dead, so taking all the systems is too easy and risk-free. What is there to brag about? Oh, we captured every system without any opposition! Go us!

I also wondered how difficult it had been for the Caldari. Did the Gallente just roll over as well?

Apparently not. The Caldari achievement sounds like something worth bragging about, some actual e-peen. I think I agree with you (even if you're super angry all the time), the Minmatar achievement of getting a medal does not stack up to what the Caldari achieved. Minnies getting a medal belittles what the Caldari accomplished.
Dan Carter Murray
#37 - 2012-08-22 19:26:57 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:

I was talking to Hans last night, about the medal. I was mentioning that the medal would be nice to have, but that there's no bragging or e-peen to go along with it.


EL
OH
EL

In my head, this sounds exactly like what a 75 year old menopausal woman would say.
"...but no showing off to your brothers..."

/me grabs random cat by the tail and flings him out a window

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Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#38 - 2012-08-22 19:32:23 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:

I was talking to Hans last night, about the medal. I was mentioning that the medal would be nice to have, but that there's no bragging or e-peen to go along with it.


EL
OH
EL

In my head, this sounds exactly like what a 75 year old menopausal woman would say.
"...but no showing off to your brothers..."

/me grabs random cat by the tail and flings him out a window

You never go full ******.

The moar you cry the less you pee
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-08-22 20:37:42 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
You never go full ******.


No You.

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Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#40 - 2012-08-22 20:54:20 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Pinky Feldman wrote:
You never go full ******.


No You.

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