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Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#1 - 2012-08-20 19:17:32 UTC
How long should this mission take, its taking me FOREVER in my Apocalypse. I just started level fours, and they seem to take a long time. I'm starting to think l3s will be more profitable.

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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#2 - 2012-08-20 19:31:30 UTC
Shooting angels suck as Amarr.

Not today spaghetti.
Dennis Gregs
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-08-20 19:33:40 UTC
Amarr ships are horrible versus angels, as stated above (the only exception being some elite frigates which have low EM shield resist of all things...). If you want to rat in angel territory, bring a ship from any other race.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#4 - 2012-08-20 19:35:27 UTC
Ugh, that's unsettling news. Not really ratting, doing the mission. I can't really fly anything else well enough. But that's good info, skip the Angel missions. Never been a problem till these l4s.

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Dennis Gregs
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-08-20 19:43:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Dennis Gregs
Kult Altol wrote:
Ugh, that's unsettling news. Not really ratting, doing the mission. I can't really fly anything else well enough. But that's good info, skip the Angel missions. Never been a problem till these l4s.


I didn't mean ratting in belts in specific. I think in Amarr space you shouldn't be getting too many Angel missions (I could be mistaken though). Just stay away from Minmatar and Gallente space (they both have tons of Angels), especially Minmatar of course.

By your post I understand your skills are really low though, so that's also a factor. Use Minmatar drones against them they will help a lot.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#6 - 2012-08-20 19:49:24 UTC
Dennis Gregs wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Ugh, that's unsettling news. Not really ratting, doing the mission. I can't really fly anything else well enough. But that's good info, skip the Angel missions. Never been a problem till these l4s.


I didn't mean ratting in belts in specific. I think in Amarr space you shouldn't be getting too many Angel missions (I could be mistaken though). Just stay away from Minmatar and Gallente space (they both have tons of Angels), especially Minmatar of course.

By your post I understand your skills are really low though, so that's also a factor. Use Minmatar drones against them they will help a lot.



haha, wouldn't say my skills are low. Big smile I invested heavily into industrial stuff and just started doing missions. Thanks for the advice I'll use the t2 Minmater drones, should help alot. This mission sucks particularly cause its 5 differnt rooms with tons of spawns.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#7 - 2012-08-20 19:59:21 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:
haha, wouldn't say my skills are low. Big smile I invested heavily into industrial stuff and just started doing missions. Thanks for the advice I'll use the t2 Minmater drones, should help alot. This mission sucks particularly cause its 5 differnt rooms with tons of spawns.


As you learn the mission it gets considerably faster. Blitzing rooms 3 and 4 certainly helps.

As a side note, you want to use crystals with a high therm component whenever possible against Angels. Which basically means no Scorch and Multi whenever possible. They're all highly resistant to EM and only somewhat resistant to therm....

As for drones, carry Hobgoblin IIs. The tackle frigs are weak to therm. Throw in a set of Valkyrie IIs or Vespa IIs to help with the bigger stuff.
Bommel McMurdoc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-08-20 22:02:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Bommel McMurdoc
My vargur rips through those Angels as if they were paper =D

but yeah, when I flew an abaddon for a while... it upset me to no end that Angels took forever to kill, had to bring my alt in with a drake loading EM (edit: oops meant explosive) missiles to make good time. After that,I trained minmatar!!!

try your best to use eve-survival to get a better understanding of the mission you are going to undertake. Trust me, you won't be sorry. =)
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#9 - 2012-08-20 22:04:42 UTC
Bommel McMurdoc wrote:
My vargur rips through those Angels as if they were paper =D

but yeah, when I flew an abaddon for a while... it upset me to no end that Angels took forever to kill, had to bring my alt in with a drake loading EM missiles to make good time. After that,I trained minmatar!!!


EM missiles? I'm not sure how much that possibly could have helped....
Bommel McMurdoc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-08-20 22:08:30 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Bommel McMurdoc wrote:
My vargur rips through those Angels as if they were paper =D

but yeah, when I flew an abaddon for a while... it upset me to no end that Angels took forever to kill, had to bring my alt in with a drake loading EM missiles to make good time. After that,I trained minmatar!!!


EM missiles? I'm not sure how much that possibly could have helped....


oh crap i meant explosive missiles, for some reason I had amarr ships in my head.

Thank you for the pick-up. =D
Nagamor
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-08-20 22:33:52 UTC
As Amarr, some enemies will be a problem to fight no matter where you go. Angels are just high on that list. Also, if you're just now doing 4's I would hazard a guess your overall dps isn't terribly high. You can pm or evemail me and I would be happy to discuss fitting options if you'd like.

I don't find Angel Extravaganza too difficult or long, but I also pack the Almighty Tachyon.
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-08-21 01:28:26 UTC
Pretty sure if you take your thermal laser fitted Apoc into Serpentis Extravaganza, you'll see a big difference. Rat specific ammo can change whether or not you'll spend 30 minutes or an hour on a mission.
Main reason why I fly Minmatar or missle boats only. Having all 4 ammo types is quite nice.
Vrykolakasis
Sparrowhawks Corp
#13 - 2012-08-22 07:08:58 UTC
Thermal actually shouldn't be that bad against Angels, it's probably just skills since you just started Level 4s. It's not like using fusion but it's not so bad, and Minmatar have kinetic weaknesses. Back when I started L4s I took a very long time to do even simple missions like Sansha Pirate Invasion.

As per how long it should take; again really dependent on your skills, but I complete AE 1-6 including salvaging in ~45 mins in a Vargur, ~90 mins in Maelstrom/Noctis including salvaging. I'm sure I could blitz it a little faster but I like to play a little more relaxed where possible.

I don't remember what level 3s pulled in per hour, but I guarantee you that you'll pull more ISK from L4s once you get used to them and get sufficient SP. However, without the proper skillset or experience, it might be safer, more fun, and more profitable to stick to L3s for a few weeks.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-08-22 08:12:40 UTC
One other thing - if your skills aren't on par, your L4 performance will be miserable - it's like trying to do them in a Drake - just because it can be done, that doesn't mean it should be done.

Best against angels would probably be a Sacrilege/Damnation with Heavy Missiles, but I doubt you have decent missile skills.

Beyond that, grab Pulse lasers (Angels like to be in your face), fit Multifrequency crystals (highest thermal damage) and smack in as many heat sinks as you can, then make sure you use gallente or minmatar drones. Enjoy the lightshow :)
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#15 - 2012-08-22 15:04:26 UTC
also if you get a gisti liquidator those SOB's are hard to kill, however the most effective tactic to use is fly away from it kiting are you fire, once its orbiting you it very very hard to kill I guess because its speed. but yeah, explosive is best.
Cap James Tkirk
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#16 - 2012-08-22 22:37:09 UTC
Vrykolakasis wrote:
Thermal actually shouldn't be that bad against Angels, it's probably just skills since you just started Level 4s. It's not like using fusion but it's not so bad, and Minmatar have kinetic weaknesses.



angels are weak vs explosive primarily ( http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/damage_types.php )