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Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#61 - 2012-08-21 20:42:35 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Since when did anyone need credentials to say "slavery is wrong, you shouldn't decide a people's fate other than your own?" I love how eggers fall back on that bullshit excuse when a fact is stated. "Where's your data hmmm?" **** you, I don't need a 50-page thesis to support that slavery is morally reprehensible and that the Minmatar are deservedly pissed off. I just hope they stomp you people quickly.


I understand that you believe slavery is morally reprehensible, you've been quite vocal about it and I wasn't implying that you need credential to make that assertion as it's entirely opinion-based.

My assertion was saying that someone doesn't know what's good for someone or not is an authoritative statement that does require crediting. A doctor, for instance, can say what is and isn't good for someone; as can a psychiatrist, scientists and yes, even ministers and priests.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Dos Naari
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-08-21 22:32:14 UTC
I wonder how many of the imperials speaking have actually witnessed a Ni-Kunni water dance, or had the chance to sit and listen to a cloud reader? Probably not many considering that such customs are only openly practiced outside Amarr space. Truth is the Ni-Kunni come from an ancient, resourceful, and highly shamanistic culture that has much in common with the Vherokior, but unfortunately when the Amarr came to Mishi they impersonated characters from Ni-Kunni mythology in order to trick many Ni-Kunni into voluntarily accepting open conquest.

Such is the way of the Amarr, they love to pretend. They pretend they are strong, refined, and still relevant, when in truth they are parasites that claim to be enlightened and advanced, while feeding off the progress of other cultures to sustain their own. Time and again they are humiliated; by the Jovians, by the Matari on a daily basis, humiliated even by the Federation. And all the while what of their "reclaiming"? The best capsuleers among them defect to Caldari space out of frustration as those that remain fight and die not in ships of imperial majesty, but in the very vessels of those they claim to be savages.

Truth is the glory days of the Amarr empire have long passed, what remains is little more than an ineffectual relic kept in place to maintain some resemblance of order within a feudal patchwork of holder states, but fear not Amarr, the State will always be there to provide you with the technology and resources needed to hold off the inevitable, for a price. Blink
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#63 - 2012-08-22 01:34:49 UTC
Dos Naari wrote:
I wonder how many of the imperials speaking have actually witnessed a Ni-Kunni water dance, or had the chance to sit and listen to a cloud reader? Probably not many considering that such customs are only openly practiced outside Amarr space. Truth is the Ni-Kunni come from an ancient, resourceful, and highly shamanistic culture that has much in common with the Vherokior, but unfortunately when the Amarr came to Mishi they impersonated characters from Ni-Kunni mythology in order to trick many Ni-Kunni into voluntarily accepting open conquest.


I would ask what source you used to obtain this information and then inform you that it is not entirely accurate. The Amarr did not intentionally impersonate any deity or angelic being as doing so would be blasphemous in God's sight and betray the very purpose of our expansion to begin with (that being conversion to the one true faith in God, rather hard to do that if you're impersonating other deities). We arrived on a planet with low reserves of water and natural resources and began to distribute water and resources to a needy population.

Furthermore, the Ni-Kunni didn't accept open conquest. They attacked and slaughtered exploratory crews that landed on the planet shortly afterward because their barons at the time did not wish to relinquish their power. They were then summarily conquered and enslaved in response to their rebellion.

Dos Naari wrote:
Such is the way of the Amarr, they love to pretend. They pretend they are strong, refined, and still relevant, when in truth they are parasites that claim to be enlightened and advanced, while feeding off the progress of other cultures to sustain their own. Time and again they are humiliated; by the Jovians, by the Matari on a daily basis, humiliated even by the Federation. And all the while what of their "reclaiming"? The best capsuleers among them defect to Caldari space out of frustration as those that remain fight and die not in ships of imperial majesty, but in the very vessels of those they claim to be savages.


Your impotent jabs at the relevance and truth of the Amarr and the Amarr faith aside; you are correct in that we have suffered defeats in our history and made a mockery of ourselves when we have betrayed our own purpose or let our own hubris blind us. You are also correct in that many seem to be fleeing from the fight and trials ahead of us. However, do not mistake this as being the activities of the greater majority of Amarr, they are capsuleers and many of them have demonstrably lost their way long before now.

Dos Naari wrote:
Truth is the glory days of the Amarr empire have long passed, what remains is little more than an ineffectual relic kept in place to maintain some resemblance of order within a feudal patchwork of holder states, but fear not Amarr, the State will always be there to provide you with the technology and resources needed to hold off the inevitable, for a price. Blink


Perhaps you have forgotten that it is the State that required an emergency transfusion of funds in order to stay a float and prevent economic collapse within itself, not the Empire. Perhaps you've also forgotten that the Empire has not requested the assistance of the State in any formal capacity and while technology is shared with the Kingdom and certainly benefits innovation, the majority of the Amarr fleet has been upgraded by our own engineers and technicians.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#64 - 2012-08-22 02:06:10 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
Perhaps you have forgotten that it is the State that required an emergency transfusion of funds in order to stay a float and prevent economic collapse within itself, not the Empire. Perhaps you've also forgotten that the Empire has not requested the assistance of the State in any formal capacity and while technology is shared with the Kingdom and certainly benefits innovation, the majority of the Amarr fleet has been upgraded by our own engineers and technicians.


We at Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetics would like to take this opportunity to thank our Amarrian friends for the aforementioned loan of liquid funds to the Caldari State. The loan was provided on good terms, and we trust that the profits made by both parties as a result were well appreciated. We hope for future business endeavours with you, as we do with all interested parties. Thank you.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-08-22 02:37:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Azdan Amith
Scherezad wrote:

We at Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetics would like to take this opportunity to thank our Amarrian friends for the aforementioned loan of liquid funds to the Caldari State. The loan was provided on good terms, and we trust that the profits made by both parties as a result were well appreciated. We hope for future business endeavours with you, as we do with all interested parties. Thank you.


As always you are most graceful and gentle in your dealings and words, Miss Scherezad. I pray I've not unintentionally offended in my rebuttal.

I also reiterate that my intention is not to discredit the mutual benefit that has been gained as a result of our partnership, nor to dishonor the stalwart dedication and integrity of those within the State.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Dos Naari
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-08-22 02:38:26 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
We at Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetics would like to take this opportunity to thank our Amarrian friends for the aforementioned loan of liquid funds to the Caldari State. The loan was provided on good terms, and we trust that the profits made by both parties as a result were well appreciated. We hope for future business endeavours with you, as we do with all interested parties. Thank you.
Out of curiousity, by what merit does your division have the right to express gratitude towards a slave trading theocratic empire for something that occurred centuries before even your parent corporation existed? How strange that a patriot corporation like Lai Dai would authorize such a sycophantic statement in the first place, much less through one of it's divisions.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#67 - 2012-08-22 02:49:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Azdan Amith
Dos Naari wrote:
Out of curiousity, by what merit does your division have the right to express gratitude towards a slave trading theocratic empire for something that occurred centuries before even your parent corporation existed? How strange that a patriot corporation like Lai Dai would authorize such a sycophantic statement in the first place, much less through one of it's divisions.


Hm.

Let's see, the investment into the Caldari State by Empress Jamyl Sarum I occurred in the year YC 111.

Lai Dai existed before the Morning of Reason that occurred at the outset of the Gallente-Caldari war. (Over 200 years ago)

Do you even bother to check your information before you spew it out?

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Dos Naari
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-08-22 03:20:29 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
Hm.

Let's see, the investment into the Caldari State by Empress Jamyl Sarum I occurred in the year YC 111.

Lai Dai existed before the Morning of Reason that occurred at the outset of the Gallente-Caldari war. (Over 200 years ago)

Do you even bother to check your information before you spew it out?

Yea maybe you're right, but that still doesn't change the fact that you sir are an evil theocratic piece of slaver hound dung, and the universe would undoubtedly be a better place should you and your kind finally cease to exist. With that said I take my leave, the sanctimonious self righteous airs of this conversation are making me physically ill, and I still have to get these exotic dancers and tobacco to Ashab.... See ya on the lanes slaver.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#69 - 2012-08-22 04:12:11 UTC
Dos Naari wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
We at Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetics would like to take this opportunity to thank our Amarrian friends for the aforementioned loan of liquid funds to the Caldari State. The loan was provided on good terms, and we trust that the profits made by both parties as a result were well appreciated. We hope for future business endeavours with you, as we do with all interested parties. Thank you.
Out of curiousity, by what merit does your division have the right to express gratitude towards a slave trading theocratic empire for something that occurred centuries before even your parent corporation existed? How strange that a patriot corporation like Lai Dai would authorize such a sycophantic statement in the first place, much less through one of it's divisions.


Father Amith has made clear the history of the exchange between the Caldari State and Amarr Empire, so I won't go into that. I will only say that it is important to be up-front about ones debts and to treat your business partners with honour. Regardless of any opinions I may hold regarding slavery, they have treated us well and stayed true to their word. This is better than can be said of many, and this point should be honoured. I hope that my humble words previous were enough to do so.
Dos Naari
Doomheim
#70 - 2012-08-22 04:33:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Dos Naari
It sickens me to see a fellow citizen of the State bend their knee to an Amarrian zealot as you have. While you're down on your hands and knees kissing his boots try to remember the fact that they are enslavers of worlds, and would do the same to our's given the chance.
Amaki Mai
Doomheim
#71 - 2012-08-22 06:35:19 UTC
Dos Naari wrote:
It sickens me to see a fellow citizen of the State bend their knee to an Amarrian zealot as you have. While you're down on your hands and knees kissing his boots try to remember the fact that they are enslavers of worlds, and would do the same to our's given the chance.


Is there a single case of the Empire being in hostilities with the Caldari State? Do we occupy a single world that once belonged to them? A good Citizen of the State should probably be concerned that his mouthings don't get taken for Federation propaganda - after all, the Federation is aligned with the Republic.
Dos Naari
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-08-22 07:55:26 UTC
Amaki Mai wrote:
A good Citizen of the State should probably be concerned that his mouthings don't get taken for Federation propaganda - after all, the Federation is aligned with the Republic.
The more I learn about relations between the Amarr and the Minmatar, the more I see similarities with relations between the Caldari and Gallente. The Federation believes it is their duty to liberate the State from itself, just as the Amarr feel it is their duty to save the Minmatar from themselves. Realizing this, how can one not help but notice that though our cultural attitudes may differ, the Caldari and Minmatar share similar struggles to maintain their freedom and cultural identities in the face of fundamentalists who seek to subjugate?

Furthermore, as far as your "good Citizen of the State" comment goes, what right does a Khanid standing before the banner of the Gallente Federation have telling a Caldari what they should be concerned with? Blink
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#73 - 2012-08-22 11:26:05 UTC
Dos Naari wrote:

Yea maybe you're right, but that still doesn't change the fact that you sir are an evil theocratic piece of slaver hound dung, and the universe would undoubtedly be a better place should you and your kind finally cease to exist. With that said I take my leave, the sanctimonious self righteous airs of this conversation are making me physically ill, and I still have to get these exotic dancers and tobacco to Ashab.... See ya on the lanes slaver.


As if I've never heard this song before.

I sincerely apologize that my rebuttals to your blatant misinformation have made you physically ill, perhaps if you would cease consuming large quantities of bullshit and then trying to feed it to everyone else, you wouldn't feel so ill.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#74 - 2012-08-22 12:42:30 UTC
Wow.

Not that I have any dog in this fight but a part of me very much wants to sit that guy down and have a nice, long chat with him about the benefits of being polite to ones allies.
Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#75 - 2012-08-22 12:47:16 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
Dos Naari wrote:
Out of curiousity, by what merit does your division have the right to express gratitude towards a slave trading theocratic empire for something that occurred centuries before even your parent corporation existed? How strange that a patriot corporation like Lai Dai would authorize such a sycophantic statement in the first place, much less through one of it's divisions.


Hm.

Let's see, the investment into the Caldari State by Empress Jamyl Sarum I occurred in the year YC 111.

Lai Dai existed before the Morning of Reason that occurred at the outset of the Gallente-Caldari war. (Over 200 years ago)

Do you even bother to check your information before you spew it out?


Amith,

You are hereby disinvited from any future Trivial Pursuit parties I host.

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.

Anslo
Scope Works
#76 - 2012-08-22 13:14:45 UTC
I knew this was gonna get good!

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2012-08-22 13:59:38 UTC
It saddens me to see that this is the freshest face of the Cal-Matar front, Dos.

It would be insincere of me to say that, despite your crudeness, I had not felt a spark of hope when I realized that another Pilot had once again emerged who recognized the potential for a good relationship between our people.

However, I have quickly come to realize that the nature of your beliefs have been forged by hatred.

You express the worst qualities of my own kindred - ignorance and irrationality in the face our enemy - and none of our best. Furthermore, the fact that you treat your State's ally with such errant disrespect when they have treated you and yours well is a great disservice to the Caldari people. Though, perhaps, your most dire of betrayals may be the nature in which you attack your own. You marry our ideas of Tribe whilst lashing out at your sisters in the same turn and this I cannot accept.

Spirits help your troubled mind, whelp. I see you walking towards a Path of destruction.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Anslo
Scope Works
#78 - 2012-08-22 14:35:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Halete wrote:
It saddens me to see that this is the freshest face of the Cal-Matar front, Dos.

It would be insincere of me to say that, despite your crudeness, I had not felt a spark of hope when I realized that another Pilot had once again emerged who recognized the potential for a good relationship between our people.

However, I have quickly come to realize that the nature of your beliefs have been forged by hatred.

You express the worst qualities of my own kindred - ignorance and irrationality in the face our enemy - and none of our best. Furthermore, the fact that you treat your State's ally with such errant disrespect when they have treated you and yours well is a great disservice to the Caldari people. Though, perhaps, your most dire of betrayals may be the nature in which you attack your own. You marry our ideas of Tribe whilst lashing out at your sisters in the same turn and this I cannot accept.

Spirits help your troubled mind, whelp. I see you walking towards a Path of destruction.


Heh, you expected a Caldari to have common decency when he could take a pot shot at someone?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#79 - 2012-08-22 14:36:24 UTC
Dos Naari wrote:
It sickens me to see a fellow citizen of the State bend their knee to an Amarrian zealot as you have. While you're down on your hands and knees kissing his boots try to remember the fact that they are enslavers of worlds, and would do the same to our's given the chance.


The pursuit of truth leads you to strange places, and it is important to show respect and gratitude to those who help you along the path. Father Amith is one such virtuous man who possesses a piece of truth, I feel, though my investigations are not yet complete. So, yes, I do kneel to him, as I do to all my friends and allies. My own accomplishments are meager and worth little by comparison, so there's no sense in hiding my humility.

Heiian, Pilot Naari. Kill your pride. We are nothing but the hand of our kin.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2012-08-22 14:38:50 UTC
Anslo wrote:

Heh, you expected a Caldari to have common decency when he could take a pot shot at someone?


The irony is almost palpable.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21