Warfare & Tactics

Its funny you say a child would figure this out because I think this is really a childish strategy.

Ok I think this is not really clear thinking. So you think ILaw or fweddit or moar tears could have basically held nulli at gun point and forced their pilots to get in ships and plex a system some 12 or so jumps away from their home system? "Either you do what I say or I will **** all over our common goals!" This sort of tactic would have just ended poorly for everyone. You guys can give it a try if another null sec entity joins minmatar. But again I am not really sure if you are just trying to steer us wrong with more bad ideas.

I wanted to hit tier 5. I didn't want to start flipping systems early.

Plus you can't actually eradicate a system in faction war. You can make it so the minmatar cant' dock there until the hordes of pve ships come to plex it back up. But that only takes the minmafarm a few days.

I am not saying that taking houla wouldn't have been great. It would have been. But it wouldn't have crushed the minmafarm.

It wouldn't have changed anythign that happened after we flipped the systems. All those alts would have still hit metro after we flipped the systems regardless of who held huola at the time we flipped them.




I really didn't see nulli as an interfering power until they decided to cash out early. If they wanted to farm vulnerable systems I didn't mind they did work up in metro.

My plan was somewhat similar to yours. We were willing to move things along to be able to hit tier 5 even though they kept farming todifraun. We were hitting the center systems around frerstorn trying to get them vulnerable. After they became vulnerable and we had enough to hit tier 5 then we could have forced thier hand by starting to flip systems.

I don't think anyone was expecting them to quit at tier 4. I know I was really surprised. It didn't make any sense.

Really we learned what was happening and took action as best we could. Minmatar with their huge head start of isk being shot at them through a firehose on day one of inferno, always like to pretend they are winning because of superior tactics/strategies. But there it is I gave you the inside story of what happened and core amarr militia did the best we could.

Tier 2 (even Tier 3) is easily done by all sides, and at that level there's still plenty of isk to fund everybody's pvp habit. The Minmatar let you guys make systems vulnerable so you can flip them so they can farm again. Easy stuff. If you don't want to make isk that way, then do whatever you want to farm. Up to you. Please move to Caldari and farm Gallente plexes so I can get even more fights. Switch to Caldari and farm Amarr plexes for your side. Whatever.

Anyways, my point was that while many of us may bail and look for greener pastures if we were in the current Amarr position, the Minmatar RP alliances (and sasawong) would not. Those guys are willing to do the dirty work required in FW, (and they have isk incomes not associated with FW). Only a few other players (Val Erian for one, perhaps Damar although he's slacked off lately) have that level of dedication. The Minmatar FW player based is loaded with them. that's why they won the Occupancy War - They CHOOSE to care about it - not because of fickle afk plexing alts who we know bounce to the "winning side" (as they did for Amarr when Nulli was around).

no one since ______ left

A ***** move is a ***** move whether or not it is profitable. It's like betting against the sports team you play on. If enough people do it, it pretty much forces a realization that there isn't a team, just a bunch of greedy bitches trying to get their fingers in a pie. At that point everything falls apart and you get Amarr Militia.

I mean c'mon now, you're not making any money off these plexes. You can't pay your bills in ISK, at least not efficiently, you'd do better flipping burgers. There is nothing real in this video game that merits making decisions based on their financial merit, unless you derive your enjoyment from roleplaying that sort of thing. When you give up team spirit for ISK, you're giving up something of value for something without value, it's a terrible trade.

You can farm your way to a titan gaming the FW system, but it won't do you a lick of good without a fleet to bridge.

Doesn't fly dude. If the mechanics were the cause, it'd have long since happened up in Cal/Gal space as well.. but it hasn't. We've had months now for once side to achieve dominance and drive the other out, instead we have pushes back and forth when one side or the other wants to dump LP, and steady fighting. Despite swarms of minmatar-tagged LP farmers which should have, by your logic, long since flipped our space as well.

Why? Because we actually want to fight. We show up to fight, and not just in logiblobs with a minimum of ten Guardians. Amarr run their mouths about wanting to fight but push come to shove, they'd rather run no-gun minmatar alts to increase the number in their wallet. Then they cry on the boards about how they're so terribly abused, and everything is just so terribly unfair, and it must be the mechanics that are broken, because they know in their hearts that they are elite PvPers and if they're losing the game must be rigged!

Sorry dude, but the effective range of an excuse is zero meters.

So your analysis is that because the gal/cal faction have apparently not clued into this fact yet, and as such you conclude that there's nothing wrong with the mechanics at all, just like remote AOE DDs were working as intended, and as such the only thing that needs to happen is that amarr needs to harden the **** up.

This is a fallacious line of thought, and one which'll become readily apparent to you soon enough. It's a mechanic which is easy enough to exploit for hilarious isk gains, and sooner or later even you'll have to face this.

Your theory is that Gallente and Caldari militias, which have been doing LP dumps at T4 for a couple months now... have not noticed that they can make a lot of money farming FW LP? Do you realize how patently absurd that is? Of course we know how much money we can make, we're doing it.

We'd rather just actually get some fights in the process, than switch to no-gun frigs alts or mission alts in whatever militia looks the most profitable this week. We'd rather have the action than whatever percentage increase in ISK you can get by switching, because we're not a bunch of short-sighted idiots. Most of us understand that ISK is nice and all but it's only good for enabling PvP, and if you have to **** away a whole lot of time to make your "awesome profits"... you're screwing yourself out of the part of the game that makes it worth playing. And liable to end up unhappy, like notable chunks of Amarr Militia.

Sadly, the 'notable chunks of the Amarr Militia' are the people to busy to literally do anything of any consequence except shoot at each other on an undock or to criticize the actions and effectiveness of fellow militia mates; The most bitter of bitter justify this by swinging around wild excuses about Link Alts, Online Titan Pilots and whatever they spout off in any attempt to not look like chumps by station spinning.

They also love to spout off at length about how whatever group they lost an argument in Militia chat with hasn't had any impact on the warzone.

Fweddit & Friends Leave... didn't want Kourmonen, Kamela or Sosala anyway.


Gee Eff Minmatar Bros.

My experience with the amarr militia was not the same as yours. But then I dont talk in militia chat very much.

Anyway what the minmatar do is what is most important to me. Because whether or not they are online decides whether I get fights. I don't have allot of complaints in that department so I am glad my corp is staying here.

I don't do allot of fleet stuff but it was fun fighting with fweddit and more tears, the few times I did. Good luck to you.

Contributing my **** post to **** up a **** thread.
Now that W-BR is out of the militia I am no longer able to realize my dream of making the internet spaceship boy band, Smurfsbrigade and the Amarrios.