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Tittee Sprinkles
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-08-17 22:34:17 UTC
While running the tutorial a week or two ago I heard Aura say that now that my "(original?) body has/had been properly euthanized..."

Does this mean in order to be a capsuleer your real first body has to be murdered so that your first copy can begin?
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#2 - 2012-08-18 00:50:04 UTC
Yes, I understand that's how capsuleers are created these days, but it wasn't like that in the past.

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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#3 - 2012-08-18 03:58:32 UTC
Indeed. In the past, you could pretty much fly around in your original. The first time you got killed was the time you got put into a clone, assembled from biomass and bioplastics. If you didn't get killed, you got to keep your original.
Eric Riso
Russia Caldari
#4 - 2012-08-18 08:45:28 UTC
I've always wondered if we (capsuleers) do in fact have souls, and if we do in fact have souls when we are killed what happens to our souls?

I mean do they transfer to the clone body? Or do they go to heaven or hell? And if they do go to heaven or hell do our clones have souls? They have wants and needs, they make choices and think. I mean i've been "killed" before and i think i currently have a soul. Do i think that just because the original me used to think that?

If anyone has any kind of input on the subject id really like to hear it.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#5 - 2012-08-18 18:47:24 UTC
I'm no expert on Amarr lore but I believe Amarrian religious folk think cloning destroys their immortal soul, which is why their royalty aren't allowed to have clones.
Horatius Caul
Kitzless
#6 - 2012-08-18 21:50:36 UTC
Eric Riso wrote:
I've always wondered if we (capsuleers) do in fact have souls, and if we do in fact have souls when we are killed what happens to our souls?

Spoiler alert: nobody has a soul

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Eric Riso
Russia Caldari
#7 - 2012-08-19 16:53:41 UTC
Horatius Caul wrote:
Eric Riso wrote:
I've always wondered if we (capsuleers) do in fact have souls, and if we do in fact have souls when we are killed what happens to our souls?

Spoiler alert: nobody has a soul


That may be true.

But if it is then what makes us who we are? Is it just memories and chemical make-up?
Adam Junior
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-08-19 21:04:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Adam Junior
Horatius Caul wrote:
Eric Riso wrote:
I've always wondered if we (capsuleers) do in fact have souls, and if we do in fact have souls when we are killed what happens to our souls?

Spoiler alert: nobody has a soul


Spoiler alert: Super spaceships don't real.

I remember reading somthing about how trying to have multiple active clones didn't work which seems a bit soul-ey. The broker seems to challenge that but perhaps he never had a soul Twisted
Eric Riso
Russia Caldari
#9 - 2012-08-19 23:09:45 UTC
It's just odd to think that memory and biomass and bioplastics make up who we are, there has to be something else....right?
David Forge
GameOn Inc.
#10 - 2012-08-21 21:38:19 UTC
This is much the same as the longstanding philosophical problem of what happens to the soul* of a person in the case of perfect reproduction. It crops up in science fiction like Star Trek with teleporters in much the same way as it does in Eve with cloning and consciousness transfer (though, transfer is not entirely accurate as it is more consciousness copy with the original destroyed and then perfectly rewritten elsewhere).

*I use "soul" in a purely non-religious sense. When it comes to this particular philosophical question I think the word "instance" appropriate. If I were to be cloned and had my consciousness copied perfectly would the clone be the same instance of me as the original? I don't think so, the original would always be one instance of me and the clone would be another. Like two copies of a movie, they're exactly the same but if I copy the data from one disc then destroy it and write the data onto an identical disc I have a perfect copy but the second disc is not a continuance of the first but a replacement.