Ships & Modules

Yes, I like that naming scheme.

I like and support this bit.



But I don't like how it actually is here. Its to much like implants.

I still like lasers going to a gigawatt or 2-GW, 3-GW or something progression because of its sci-fi feel.



Are some of the problems with the way search works on TQ and not just what the names are?

After reading through a good bit of this discussion my main worry is that we will continue the trend at making module names into short sentences with redundant data that can be derived from some other info for the module.

I would like to be able to quickly and easily identify modules in my hangar as well as not having to expand the market screen to ginormous sizes just to see the full name of the module I am trying to buy.

For example medium projectile guns and shield hardeners aren't consistent and start to take up a lot of space:

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Once the names start getting that long with redundant info it becomes more difficult to identify modules:

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Also on that point, all the guns and such that have the different sizes having their size stated in their names when there are several ways for you to identify that fact, including the large S, M, or L on the icon of the gun itself, to me seems excessively redundant.

Anyone else have thoughts like this? When people have to start using 4+ character shortened titles for the modules instead of trudging through the sentence of words that make up their names it seems like something should be adjusted.

As suffixes to the name? It'll look/sound wierd and artificial. That part of the problem can easily be solved with visual UI clues - which is what really matters for most players.

CCP wants to go one step further by incorporating Meta1-4 marker into the name itself, and tbh, I have reservations for this approach as it'll EITHER unecessarily complicates the name OR you'd have to pare it down to simple terms which destroys the flavour. If you extend the same approach to all mods not yet affected, then you'd have a massive amount of either redundant fluff or homogenized simple terms .... neither of them good. Ultimately, this infantile hand-holding will be detrimental as players don't have to immerse themselves in the mystique of figuring out the names. Now, part of the game's allure is figuring things out for yourself. When it goes missing, you get a bland taste.

What this change DOES serve however, are the quick-gratifying crowd (however reluctant I am at repeating a cliche). The types that goes in and tries to do everything at once. This sort of playstyle is anti-thesis to what EVE is traditionally based on. In trying to expand away from that niche market, CCP dilutes its universe and playerbase. It's like Microsoft trying to be Apple, and vice-versa.

The more effective solution sits right infront of them unnoticed/ignored. We've been using the confusing terms for a number of years (and EVE subs steadily rose), it's certainly not a game breaking element. There should be no hurry to implement and plenty of time to get it right on the first round. One of the first thing they should have tried was to put in the visual clues in the UI for Meta1-4, why they didn't go for it first is mystifying. Even something as simple as adding an extra row to the items stats to clearly delineate the Meta level without players needing to switch tabs ... or doing an autosort with a Meta column in the item Variations tab.

This! This is pretty much what I was trying to get at with my posts

Another 'Like' for you sir!

And my problem with using number for lasers is this attribute is adjusted by skills, ships, implants, and I think boosters.

here is the wiki link for different types of lasers perhaps you can got some ideas of their uses and then use them as a standard for pluse and beam...

link

like for ultra close range pulse you could use this:

Spectroscopy, LIDAR, research. This material is often used in highly-tunable mode-locked infrared lasers to produce ultrashort pulses and in amplifier lasers to produce ultrashort and ultra-intense pulses.

so a lidar would be the close range pulse lasers for all the small to medium to large scale...

This is a good thing to be doing - I recently cross trained to lasers and they still confuse the whatnot out of me.

+1 for the wattage idea from Aaron Grell above - like the mm sizes on projectiles would let you quickly see what is what

Another point to be made here is that if you were to use Gigawatt Numbers for the lasers they would be simply a CLASS notation, not an actual output. The skills, implants, ships, etc, that modify a laser can be said to be improving the output beam power be tuning, clarifying etc, beyond what the base class of power output is. With lasers, it's not all about power output, it's about better optics, and making the beam more coherent, right? So you could indeed use GW numerical designations, they would be the class of laser, and essentially represent what those lasers would output on an NPC's ship. As for our capsuleer supermen/superwomen, we make all sorts of things work better than the average human.

She doesn't like it. So what? Let it go... I'm not getting upset that she didn't even really comment on my religious naming convention for the lasers (although I want to - lol) Personally I think the kW or GW with a number is extremely sterile myself.