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[ECM] Imagine an Arazu locking down 4+ ships
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#61 - 2012-08-21 16:54:49 UTC
Harlot Hohannson wrote:
Also not everyone flies in a gang.


Ahh now we come to the crux of the matter. Well you know, get some friends. Preferably some who can fly falcons. Then your problems are moot.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#62 - 2012-08-21 17:01:09 UTC
^ Or fly smartbombing ships, they don't need to lock! Smile

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-08-21 17:01:51 UTC
There's ways to deal with ECM, I'm sorry that you're unwilling to use them.

Hint: it's more than just ECCM

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Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#64 - 2012-08-21 17:02:01 UTC
Posting in Yet another " I'm to lazy to train ECM, to counter ECM so lets ***** thread" P

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Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-08-21 18:49:59 UTC
Harlot Hohannson wrote:
It would seem overpowered to be able to interfere with the LOCK RANGE or 4+ ships in a single ship right?

Well how about the damn Falcon being able to almost completely remove 4+ ships from a fight whatsoever (notwithstanding smartbombs or drones that already have a target).

I am still amazed that this bullshit is allowed to go on.

ECM is so ubiquitous it's a joke. CCP really should do something about this pathetic 'chance based' (lol) mechanic.

In before all the cowards that can't handle risk come in defending overpowered mechanics. "I can't risk having someone actually fighting while I PVP".



Hello drones, hello FOF missiles, hello warp off and warp back landing on Falcon. Falcon dies or warps off, as it has bugger all tank and hates being within lock range of anything, even friendlies.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#66 - 2012-08-21 18:56:24 UTC
Harlot Hohannson wrote:
Also, well done for implying ecm is chance based. It is nigh on guaranteed to jam every time.

Hmm....just as I suspected. Clueless.

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TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#67 - 2012-08-21 18:59:32 UTC
TraderJade wrote:
I feel your pain!

if only eve had modules to counter such ships, like a module which increases your sensor strength or boost your locking range. They could be called sensor booster and maybe ECCM... but i doubt ccp would ever introduce them into the game :(


Nice. Now try besieging a POS that can lock down any ship with less than 270 sensor strength.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-08-21 19:38:01 UTC
The obvious solution to this is to massively buff all other forms of e-war to spread out the whining more equally.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Phoenix Bibbs
Imperium Cartel.
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#69 - 2012-08-21 19:48:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Bibbs
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
More ridiculous lies about how powerful ECM is posted by someone more interested in hyperbole than facts.
Do you work for the republicans?



You misspelled dirty f'ing liberal democrats.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#70 - 2012-08-21 19:48:47 UTC
Andski wrote:
There's ways to deal with ECM, I'm sorry that you're unwilling to use them.

Hint: it's more than just ECCM


projected ECCM sig amps rigs? and so on?

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Leisen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-08-21 20:18:08 UTC
Let's use the guns vs missiles logic.

A HURR DURR MISSILES HIT ALL THE TIME SO THEY SHOULD SUCK!

Therefore, since ECM is chance based, and damps are constant, damps should suck.
Enjoy.

Might I suggest flying Caldari if you want to specialize in electronic warfare? I mean this is kind of like complaining that the Hurricane has more turrets than a Drake...
Luna Q
ASTARTES CORP
Hashashin Cartel
#72 - 2012-08-21 20:21:23 UTC
Sakura Kasenumi wrote:
ECM is a force multiplyer much teh same as logistics. Take away theese abilities and Eve is reduced EVEN MORE to a numbers game.

A small gang with ECM can fight a lrager force. A small gang with ECM and logistics can fight an even larger force. Send a small gang with neither against a larger force and it dies almost every time unless using such tactics as kiting.

A kiting force will destroy a larger force that can not hit it. Is that overpowered? If the defending force has ecm they can force teh kiting force to leave the field or render tehm inefective, is that overpowered?

In massive fleet fights, both sides often have ECM, taking people out of the combat, is that overpowered?

ECM seems overpowered in specific circumstances, if the enemy force has ECM adn a larger number, you will be overwhelmed fast, is that overpowered? They would probably have killed your force anyway. If teh smaller force had the ECM teh battlfield is levelled. Is that overpowered?


Think about what you are saying and look at it form other angles. If you are just but hurt because someone beat you down using ECM, that isnt a reason for it to be changed, it may be a reason for you to look at your own fleet compositions though.



Harlot, I'd like to see you respond to this post with your usual "stupid defense of broken mechanic."

My guess is you are just mad because you thought you were going to get a kill, but then got killed because of falcon.

ECM already got hit with the nerf bat. Quit whining and learn to deal with it.

Luna
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#73 - 2012-08-21 20:26:29 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Pestily wrote:


A falcon can fit 6 jammers no problem.




A falcon with 6 jammers has no tank and can be instapopped almost just by looking at it.

Falcons can be easily overtanked by 1600mm plate, thanks to excessive powergrid they have.

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-08-21 20:26:59 UTC
Light switch mechanics are terrible.
Roderick Grey
Koenigsbergers
#75 - 2012-08-21 20:40:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Roderick Grey
Why not atleast remove perma-jamming, maybe have it capped at 30secs-1min then there's a 15 second cooldown of sorts before they can continue to stop you playing.

I think that the main reason people think Falcons are OP is how much they matter in small engagements, let's say there's two 5 man gangs facing off, one's a nano gang with 1 Vaga, 1 Cynabal, 2 Canes and a Scimitar The other's a mixed match gang of 4 t1 frigs and a Falcon. Providing the Falcon has the correct ECM and the pilot isn't suffering from a seizure or wife aggro the frig gang would win 9/10.

To only real way to counter the Falcon is with more Falcons or just blob it, which is ********, and doesn't mean that it isn't OP.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-08-21 22:21:59 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Andski wrote:
There's ways to deal with ECM, I'm sorry that you're unwilling to use them.

Hint: it's more than just ECCM


projected ECCM sig amps rigs? and so on?


drones

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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#77 - 2012-08-21 22:33:55 UTC
Phoenix Bibbs wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
More ridiculous lies about how powerful ECM is posted by someone more interested in hyperbole than facts.
Do you work for the republicans?



You misspelled dirty f'ing liberal democrats.


Only republicans do that I hear.

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Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2012-08-21 23:20:07 UTC
Harlot Hohannson wrote:
It would seem overpowered to be able to interfere with the LOCK RANGE or 4+ ships in a single ship right?

Well how about the damn Falcon being able to almost completely remove 4+ ships from a fight whatsoever (notwithstanding smartbombs or drones that already have a target).

I am still amazed that this bullshit is allowed to go on.

ECM is so ubiquitous it's a joke. CCP really should do something about this pathetic 'chance based' (lol) mechanic.

In before all the cowards that can't handle risk come in defending overpowered mechanics. "I can't risk having someone actually fighting while I PVP".


OMG, really a "because of falcon" post in 2012? dude your late to the party just go cry in a corner somewhere.

The LULZ Boat.
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2012-08-21 23:38:16 UTC
Roderick Grey wrote:
Why not atleast remove perma-jamming, maybe have it capped at 30secs-1min then there's a 15 second cooldown of sorts before they can continue to stop you playing.

I think that the main reason people think Falcons are OP is how much they matter in small engagements, let's say there's two 5 man gangs facing off, one's a nano gang with 1 Vaga, 1 Cynabal, 2 Canes and a Scimitar The other's a mixed match gang of 4 t1 frigs and a Falcon. Providing the Falcon has the correct ECM and the pilot isn't suffering from a seizure or wife aggro the frig gang would win 9/10.

To only real way to counter the Falcon is with more Falcons or just blob it, which is ********, and doesn't mean that it isn't OP.


That fleet comp should OWN 4 frigs and a falcon becasue if he jams the DPS the scimmy should keep them alive and if he jams the scimmy the one unjammed DPS boat from that list should no problem at all killing frigs. there is no way a competent group of pilots in those ships should lose to four frigates because of one falcon. Also who flies a minny only gang? you are asking for some idiot to bring a jammer boat and **** you off because its easy against single race fleets.

The LULZ Boat.
Arrgthepirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#80 - 2012-08-22 00:50:20 UTC
My favorite thing to do in a falcon is find a fight and jam both sides