Warfare & Tactics

Will to what? Orbit buttons with an army of alts? That will was never there to begin with.

On that view fw was always fine. I realize that is your view. But most people recognize it was broken in that it could be much much better.

CCP tried to give some structure and goals to fw with inferno. The gameplay involved achieving those goals (alts playing "hide and plex") is horrible. The game should be fixed.

So wrong, on so many levels.

Also should be noted for those Amarr alliances you speak of Amarr was never a centre of gravity for them and the never were going to work as hard to keep Amarr systems as they did plexing and missioning on Minnie alts, a lot of it comes down to the fact a SFI kills a NOMEN and mods more useful making the LP store more desirable.

This a thousand times.

Tier 5 is just a victory boon - its not the victory. There is no victory unless the enemy force is broken, disrupted, scattered and shattered of its morale and internal camaraderie.

What Inferno FW 2.0 actually brought to the table was a reason to utterly annihilate the enemy militia (reliable tier 5 riches) but that reason should not become the whole of your strategy. You Cearain appear to have forgotten that you need to defeat the enemy in detail before you can take his castle, drink his wine cellar and sleep with his wenches in peace.

I'll be blunt Cearain ... a child could control Nulli knowing what you did about their intentions.

When they started leaving systems vulnerable pending a push to tier 5 in a single night strategy you guys should simply have flipped those systems to prevent Nulli approaching their goal and told their leadership that you were prepared to go along with their plan only after they eradicated the minmatar stronghold systems.

There is nothing Nulli can do to stop you messing with their plan and eventually they'd either have to do what you asked or leave FW on a disappointing tier 2-3 outcome.

Same goes for any interfering nullsec power really.

they did whine, they were not willing to shoot bunkers anymore :(

Frankly you are just annoyed that somebody else has a moon-goo scale cash printing mechanism in play (as a victory boon for winning faction war). But don't feel too bad - I do fully expect FW to get horrendously nerfed a year before your moon-wealth backbone is even looked at - I think the current developers are too scared of alienating their friends in 0.0 alliances to reform nullsec in any meaningful way.

And so they should be as from what I've read in the gaming press the Goons and co have been the best thing to ever happen to eve generating page after page of good press and bringing thousands of new players into the game and teaching them the ropes.

You could, if you just wanted to **** continuously out of your mouth without even subjecting your words to the faintest of self-criticism.



So there's tons of good pvp in FW, right? OK, well there's also isk in 3/4 of the militias. Would you rather have good pvp and also have a lot of money, or would you like to have that same good pvp and no money?

Or here: would you rather have delicious cake and also five dollars, or just the delicious cake? Let me know if you find that question a challenging one to answer.

Huh. When it's put it that way, maybe something will make people think this way without any contributions from Cearain.

And there's a negative way to put it: if what you have is pvp and no isk... why not drop militia? You lose no isk; you gain more pvp!



3/4 militias have pvp and isk. 3/4 militias can shut the **** up about how amazing they are for having chosen pvp over isk any day now. No, you haven't chosen between them, because you get them both. Given that pvp is an isk sink, I'd think that it wouldn't take long at all for you notice that this greed vs. pvp talk is ludicrous - that nobody can ever eschew isk-making to war-fighting with the tone that you keep hitting. You need one for the other. But maybe you don't even read what you type.

Meanwhile, as I cannot even buy ammo with FW LP, and as I've decided to be a chump and a fool instead of rolling a Minmatar alt, I'm doing L3s and L4s in nullsec for my income. That means jump-cloning there, then back to FW no earlier than 24 hours later, and sometimes ferrying stuff to empire to sell. This means that my maximum possible plexing efforts are cut 1/2-1/3. Of course I plex in pvp ships and roam around and try to get fights, so yeah just 1/4 what remains, making it 1/8-1/12 plexing efficiency from one Amarrian who actually halfway cares about occupancy warfare and seeing "Amarr" stamped onto systems. For a one of me, there are ten Minmatar militia, who do not need to divert their attention from the war just to make money, and who can run all-size plexes at high efficiency because they don't want to fight when they do this. So you can see how unimportant isk is - but only if you like to risk your ships in some kind of... activity, a player versus... something... I forget.

I mean no disrespect to the farmers, of course. At least tehy haven't failcascaded like Wolfsbrigade, whose love of money over pvp caused them to... uh, give themselves more targets, not even leave the warzone or have to spend time moving their stuff rather than pvping (or paying people to move their stuff rather than buying ammo), and also buy lots of stuff to pvp in... Well, I'm sure it makes sense to you.

That's long-winded. This is what I really want to say:

Gas this thread. Ban X Gallentius.