EVE General Discussion

Cracks me up every time someone writes he wants a fair fight, no one is going to fight you unless the odds are in their favor.

No matter if you have 1 or 100M SP, you never know what you are going to be fighting, so you better bring as many friends as you like to fly with.

1. Having the advantage of numbers helps a lot if you are a noob.
2. It's fun to play with other people and just as important for new players, you have someone to help you with the game.

That is the dumbest thing ive seen this week.

Frigates are a VITAL part of fleets, the frigate changes make tehm even better, as fleet and solo ships. If you are talking pvp that is of course. If you ARE talking about pvp, you can be ready to pvp and make a difference in your first day online. It may take a couple of days to be ready to solo pvp but you can do it just fine.

If you are talking pve, then you can be in a capable pve BC inside 2 weeks, often before you even have the standings to do the missions requiring a BC.

If you are talking mining, you can get into a mining barge easier than ever.

If you are talking market you can be skilled for it in a matter of days.


If you think you should be able to jump into a BC and pvp on day three in Eve, then this game is most certainly not for you.

I'm going to dissent from the "frigates are vital" point. If you're rocking a frigate in a 1 week character, you're going to die immediately in any serious engagement, because chances are that your opponents are probably flying T2 cruisers or BC's against you. If you're in a fleet, you're cannon-fodder (the polite term is "tackler"). A noob char is worthless in PVP, and everyone knows it. They're at best a speedbump to slow down an opponent. Great for your fleet; not so fun for the hapless noob who wanted to play space-war.

That's one of the perils of having a game with a lot of long-time, high-SP players. No one wants to risk their expensive ships, fittings, and implants in anything like a fair fight. So combat either becomes a massive fleet-blob affair out in null, or griefers ganking noobs and miners in high. Lowsec is a PVP desert for a reason -- all the PVP'ers claim to want to fight, but the perma-camped gates into lowsec give lie to that claim. If you want more people in lowsec, clear the gates and let people travel. People would flow into lowsec in greater numbers and the PVP opportunities would increase. The fact that this never happens speaks volumes.

What most of you guys don't seem to understand is that dying is not fun for new players. And that's really all a new char can do in PVP: die. A lot. And that BS about opponents imparting wisdom during a fight is crap as well -- most will blow up your ship, kill your pod, and then tell you to HTFU while they warp off laughing. If a clueless noob somehow manages to survive the perma-camped gates into lowsec, they'll be easy meat for roamers looking for an easy killmail.

I always point noobs who want to PVP to EVE University. It's really a prerequisite for learning the tricks of PVP while still having fun. It's just too bad that more corps don't follow EVE Uni's philosophy towards noobs.

OP, of course EvE wants to new players, what would we feed our vets otherwise?

The only problem here is your perspective and commitment. I bring new players into the game all the time and it comes down to personality, not any issues with the game. Some can take it, some should be playing something... easier and more accomodating.

So to answer your question...
YES - EVE WANTS NEW PLAYERS!
But we want new EVE-TYPE PLAYERS.

Not the kids these days who can't take stress, don't do basic math, won't think outside the box and ***** about getting bullied and who think their poop is gold roses and wonder why no one treats them special.

We want people with balls... people who take risks, have high goals, who like being outgunned, fight against terrible odds and who laugh at the thought of piloting a burning spaceship screaming though space-time without the need to whine about it on the forums.

So yes, we want PLAYERS, not b!tches.
It is, after all a game, you want comfort and someone to hold your hand... go work for Corporate America.

I wouldn't want to get wardecced in my first 8 weeks either. That's not a good way to learn the game in general, or PVP either.

OP, I'd just leave the corp for the duration of the wardec. Your corp mates should understand. If they don't, that's their problem, not yours. Mine in high sec, do your own thing, learn the ropes, have fun exploring EVE. High sec isn't that dangerous other than wardecs and the occasional mining ship ganker. When the wardec is done, you can rejoin the corp, or join a different corp, or continue solo.

He's the CEO, kinda looks bad if he leaves and then comes back once the dec is over.

I love the way this discussion is still ongoing despite the fact the OP has probably stopped playing EVE.

I just want to rebut those who say you must "be smart enough" to "grasp EvE's complexity". I think of that equation very differently with a different attitude: you don't have to be smart, but you can't be stupid.

All the really complicated stuff that only smart people can fathom has already been figured out and blogged on. Just go read that stuff. Failure to do that, well, it's being stupid. <-- newbie pro tip ...

The problem there is that you cant tell for certain if that newbie who wants to join is a newbie, or an alt who'd just waiting for the opportunity to steal/awox/whatever.

We've spent eight years now working out how to deal with these, and unfortunately, none of the solutions are that simple.


I entirely agree. It depends however if you have (almost) unlimited patience, and someone to help out and point you in the right direction. What we provide in E-UNI is a bit of a 'leg up', some other people to learn with/from, and an open community, along with the years of experience, guides, classes and other stuff which is all public.

And, of course, once a member leaves, they retain access to the vast majority of the resources.