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Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-08-18 11:02:26 UTC
In short, I was just playing around with EFT and suddenly in front of me a rather okey looking exploration fit appeared for a ship I've never flown. So I'm looking for some feedback from people that have actually flown it on how you guys think this would work out.

The ship is designed to fly in duo with a covops-scout. And the Drone focus is because it allows it to handle ships of all sizes as well as conserve ammo.

PS: Cloak stays! It is essential to my playstyle. And this ship is meanth for pure PVE
PS2: I'm looking for feedback on the fit, not on changing around the modules to make it cheaper.


Lows:
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpus A-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Corpum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control Unit II

Meds:
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner

Highs:
Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Drone Link Augmentor II
Dual 150mm Railgun II
Dual 150mm Railgun II
Dual 150mm Railgun II
Improved Cloaking Device II

Subs:
Nanobot Injector
Dissolution Sequencer
Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Drone Synthesis Projector
Localized Injectors

Medium Capacitor Control Circut II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Drones:
Hobgob II x6 (1 spare)
Hammerhead II x7 (2x Spare)
Ogre II x4
Warrior II x5

Stats:
Cap stable at 40% everything except armor repairer running.
Omnitank 699 damage
1285 M/S w/ AB on

67 DPS without Drones, 32km Optimal.
234 with Warrior II's
314 with Hobgoblin II's
396 with Hammerhead II's
594 with Ogre II's
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-08-18 11:22:09 UTC
You should really copy to clip board from EFT in text we can import easily like this.

[Proteus, Proteus PVE]
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpus A-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner

Coreli A-Type Small Remote Armor Repair System
Drone Link Augmentor II
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1
Ogre II x3
Ogre II x1

I do not like the 100mn afterburner it makes this slow and agility is poor, I would use a Microwarpdrive.

You have a decent omni tank but if this is not necessary then you can tank for specific rats.

I think your best drone dps is with 3 ogres and two hammerheads.
Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-18 11:58:56 UTC
Alticus C Bear wrote:
You should really copy to clip board from EFT in text we can import easily like this.

I do not like the 100mn afterburner it makes this slow and agility is poor, I would use a Microwarpdrive.

You have a decent omni tank but if this is not necessary then you can tank for specific rats.

I think your best drone dps is with 3 ogres and two hammerheads.


Thanks for the reply and yeah xD I couldn't find the damn function, I've used it before but this time, no way.

1. Thought about both, and I agree with the align times and agility. It's just the damn sig size thing, right now I got 160 and 1285 MS which means I got an awesome omni tank on top of an awesome speed tank. Also with the turrets I imagine orbiting at 28-30km should work pretty well. I'm just not sure really

2. Yeah, I just like Omnitanks ;p Makes the game more fun, which is worth the increase in cost to me.

3. Yeah, I'd say you're right there too, it's a combination I use a lot already. Theoretical DPS is the same but in practice the 2x Hammers have better tracking and movement speed.
Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-08-18 15:19:00 UTC
Okey, how crazy would it be to fit 3x Focused Medium Pulse Laser II's with Scorch M on this Proteus? ;p It would make the ship completely ammo independant, they have good tracking, 20km optimal range and push me over 600 DPS with 4x Ogre II's.

Aka they would let me operate indefinitely in 0.0 solo.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#5 - 2012-08-18 16:44:49 UTC
Gabrielle Lamb wrote:
Okey, how crazy would it be to fit 3x Focused Medium Pulse Laser II's with Scorch M on this Proteus? ;p It would make the ship completely ammo independant, they have good tracking, 20km optimal range and push me over 600 DPS with 4x Ogre II's.

Aka they would let me operate indefinitely in 0.0 solo.



Not sure I like the original fit, but I'm quite sure I don't like a Pulse fit. The ship already has cap issues with rails.

As far as 0.0 solo. You need a nullifier/covert setup for that, and you would want rat specific hardners for the region you go to.
Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-08-18 16:55:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Gabrielle Lamb
RavenPaine wrote:

Not sure I like the original fit, but I'm quite sure I don't like a Pulse fit. The ship already has cap issues with rails.

As far as 0.0 solo. You need a nullifier/covert setup for that, and you would want rat specific hardners for the region you go to.


A nullifier / covops setup hardly gets 60-70% of the damage this does. Which means you don't have enough damage to take down certain officer spawns possibly plex bosses. Far less run plexes efficiently.

Not to mention I've already stated that this fit is not made for solo exploration. It is used with a covops that does the scouting, probing, salvaging, hacking and archeological parts. Meaning I jump through the gates with that before this and I know there's no bubbles around.

Though yeah, the pulse thing is a tad strange. But since you don't get much in the ways of tracking / damage bonuses for rails (25% damage yes but that's not much) it might just work? Dunno, haven't tried ;p Was thinking about Arties too, possibly Autocannons. But I quite like the idea of freeing myself from ammo completely.

Could swap the Auxiliary Armor Pump I for another CCC to be stable with Pulses, get 618 HP / sec with that. Which is more or less the same as you get over time with 2x Armor Pumps.

Edit:
Actually I'd be cap stable 36% with Ammatar Navy Quad Beam Lasers with Dark Blood Radio M's or close with same combo on Pulse lasers. 570ish DPS 20km Optimal
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-08-18 19:45:27 UTC
When I looked at your fit I kept thinking of how to get more drone upgrades on. Ok this has less tank and I personally would not choose these class of mods on a price basis but maybe you could try some of the ideas, and cost did not seem to be an issue for you.

Used the Grav cap sub swapping out the DCUII, less tank but gives a mid and a better warp speed and align time, has slower top speed but it is actually not as huge a speed difference as I expected. I swapped the afterburner to core for cap reasons, no idea how much it costs.

Dropped the guns to small lasers as per your suggestion, essentially this saves grid and CPU for a large cap battery (also needs to be named), for this you need the CPU sub so less sensor strength and lock range (still almost the same as drone control range though)

Afterburner, rep and hardener cap lasts 12 min 33 secs.

595DPs omni tank, although much higher against serpentis, guristas.

1132m/s

All this to basically get an omni link and navigation comp so up to you really, if nothing else you could probably drop the guns to small lasers, fit the cpu sub, large cap battery II and fit a drone mod.

Make sure your scouting is good, you should probably carry some ECM drones.

[Proteus, Proteus PVE]
Corelum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpus A-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

'Thurifer' Large Capacitor Battery I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner
Drone Navigation Computer II

Coreli A-Type Small Remote Armor Repair System
Drone Link Augmentor II
Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency S
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1
Ogre II x3
Ogre II x1
Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-08-18 20:38:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Gabrielle Lamb
That's a pretty interesting fit indeed. Might be better off using a 10mn AB then though, would get some solid cap stability then and frees up powergrid for some alternative weapons.

For instance some heavy beam lasers would let you "snipe" from 40-50km. Seeing how the lasers would mostly be there to top off the DPS fighting overseers or other importaint spawns as well as help kill off potentially annoying targets, that would be pretty good.

At a glance, this looks like a potentially much better Drone boat then an Ishtar.
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-08-18 21:13:06 UTC
Where you need massive amount of omni tank rather than just kin/therm or unique bonuses such as the probe launcher for exploration sites then yes, but it is not quite as good in the Ishtar’s key sentry Drone niche.
Sigras
Conglomo
#10 - 2012-08-19 08:52:45 UTC
the OTL on the above fit doesnt make much sense to me . . . if youre not using sentries, just put out the right size of drone . . .

on your original fit, I really dont like the Dissolution Sequencer + Drone Link Augmentor + 100MN AB

It seems like you want the speed to get in close and your guns want to probably stay around 20km then the drone link augmentor is totally wasted, and unless youre fighting guristas the Dissolution Sequencer is a waste.

It seems for an exploration ship this would be better used by an emergent locus analyzer and a probe launcher . . though i guess you said you had a covert ops scout.

It just seems that the high slot/subsystem could be used better cause I dont see what use youre getting out of either now.
Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-08-19 09:23:20 UTC
Sigras wrote:
the OTL on the above fit doesnt make much sense to me . . . if youre not using sentries, just put out the right size of drone . . .

on your original fit, I really dont like the Dissolution Sequencer + Drone Link Augmentor + 100MN AB

It seems like you want the speed to get in close and your guns want to probably stay around 20km then the drone link augmentor is totally wasted, and unless youre fighting guristas the Dissolution Sequencer is a waste.

It seems for an exploration ship this would be better used by an emergent locus analyzer and a probe launcher . . though i guess you said you had a covert ops scout.

It just seems that the high slot/subsystem could be used better cause I dont see what use youre getting out of either now.


Thanks for the reply. Guns would mostly be to break tanks and take out frigs/ but I've been thinking left and right so I might end up using Garde II's rather then Ogre II's. Possibly I could also spec my alt towards the proteus, fit it with Sentries and Salvagers as well as use the Emergent Locus Analyzer and fit a Probe Launcher. I'd have to cheapen the fit a bit then though because I'd be out of a scout, which makes it significantly harder to move around 0.0 and lowsec without getting in to trouble.

I guess that's what balance is all about though, booring.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-08-19 14:25:27 UTC
I'm on vacation so I don't have my fits handy, but it is possible to make a usable nullified proteus fit. Just not also with the covops.

As others have said. Drop the 100mn ab. It's a total waste for PVE. If I had to go with one, I'd use a mwd. You can pulse it to keep range, and generally it's better for punching through a camp than an ab.
Sigion
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#13 - 2012-08-21 02:11:48 UTC
I've run both a Drone Proteus and a Blaster Proteus. To be fair it was in hisec so the risk profile of being jumped is different to you but I found the Blaster Proteus completely outclassed my Drone fit.

I basically have max drone and near max gunnery skills so it was a pretty fair comparison between the two.
The offensive sub I ran with the Blaster Proteus was the one that does include 50MB/s Drone Bandwidth and two of the hi-slots were taken up with a Salvager and Probe Launcher.

The 4 guns and 5 medium drones were generally pretty solid. If I felt I needed more DPS i'd station up swap in another 1-2 guns.

my 2c, I just felt that the Drone fit was pretty average overall...
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-08-21 02:36:48 UTC
Sigion wrote:
I've run both a Drone Proteus and a Blaster Proteus. To be fair it was in hisec so the risk profile of being jumped is different to you but I found the Blaster Proteus completely outclassed my Drone fit.

I basically have max drone and near max gunnery skills so it was a pretty fair comparison between the two.
The offensive sub I ran with the Blaster Proteus was the one that does include 50MB/s Drone Bandwidth and two of the hi-slots were taken up with a Salvager and Probe Launcher.

The 4 guns and 5 medium drones were generally pretty solid. If I felt I needed more DPS i'd station up swap in another 1-2 guns.

my 2c, I just felt that the Drone fit was pretty average overall...




Hisec plexes =/= low or null plexes
Gabrielle Lamb
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-08-21 05:20:42 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Sigion wrote:
I've run both a Drone Proteus and a Blaster Proteus. To be fair it was in hisec so the risk profile of being jumped is different to you but I found the Blaster Proteus completely outclassed my Drone fit.

I basically have max drone and near max gunnery skills so it was a pretty fair comparison between the two.
The offensive sub I ran with the Blaster Proteus was the one that does include 50MB/s Drone Bandwidth and two of the hi-slots were taken up with a Salvager and Probe Launcher.

The 4 guns and 5 medium drones were generally pretty solid. If I felt I needed more DPS i'd station up swap in another 1-2 guns.

my 2c, I just felt that the Drone fit was pretty average overall...




Hisec plexes =/= low or null plexes


Basically this.

Hisec plex means 3\10 or 4\10 without exception, meaning you meet nothing but frigates and cruisers. And ammo is also easy to get ahold off. A 6\10 Plex as a ninja plexer on the other hand means beeing in low or nullsec (aka fit a cloak to survive) and having no ammo available for between 10 and 50 jumps in either direction. Also a 6\10 (lowest plex in null) is going to contain somewhere in the region of 40-50 Battleships so if you wanna do a couple of plexes in a run not having to rely on ammo is imperative.