Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, that was my entire argument. That one logistics ship is not able to prevent an entire group of ships from dying. 1 Logistics ship does not negate 10-15 battleships worth of damage. That's why I pointed out that the minimum requirement for that to be true is 96% lowest resist and a fairly large EHP buffer.

Furthermore, your point about the tournament is entirely negated by the fact that the commentators were making statements like: "At the beginning of a fight with so many people on the field logistics and ASBs really don't matter. That's why it's a great choice that XXX team just started burning down battlecruisers." Go watch the tournament again.

Additionally, there are numerous counters to logistics. Jamming, damps, neuts, direct damage and more. Just because you don't like the fact that logistics/healing plays any role at all in combat doesn't mean that it shouldn't. And finally, there are ALWAYS ways to break unbreakable setups. I mean, logistics are hard countered by high alpha ships. I'm not even talking about Alphafleet - just enough to volley through shields/armor works fine.

And really, we're living in the age that people legitimately talk about volleying linked slaved deadspace fit Aeons with 17-18 titans and "Eh, not that many Titans".

-Liang

What are smart bombs, Alex.

I'll take inane complaints for 400...

I think everyone expects mining cruisers to go. The Osprey really did make sense in EVE's early age. The Raven, Scorpion, and Moa all had 4 turrets back then too. Caldari Cruiser 2 gave you 4.2 mining lasers with an 8 drone bay (pre-drone change). Now, with the Ferrox having recieved a 6th turret and the Rokh having 8, it doesn't make sense. The Osprey is a relic.

I just hope the the Exequor doesn't loose the cargo bay bonus. In fact, I wish each race had a uniquely bonused cruiser. All of this organization is also homoginization. The Exequor's bonus made it a great salvage ship. While it has be eclipsed by the Noctis, it still makes for a good trade vessel. For those that don't want to train industrials, the Exequor is a great alternative. Players find uses for ships like this.


Questions:

Have things like this come up in conversation with the CSM and other devs?

With ORE getting a frigate, everyone is already talking about ORE cruisers and even battleships. Is this something that you (just you or other devs) feel is worth considering? How would you feel about a mining Apoc/Domi love-child? >:}

QFT

I'd love to see reduced cycle time instead of increased repair amount on these things. Frigates are small, frigate fights are fast. No sense repairing 110% of my target's shields each cycle, know what I mean?

Yes it was. Good job Fozzie, smart thinking. :)

We need to do one better, we need to tweak the armor rigs so that things that aren't strapping steel onto your hull (trimarks) aren't slowing your ship down. So you're pumping some juice through your reps. Give it a sig bloom. But slowing down Gallente ships further with the rigs they need to do anything at all is silly.

All that to say, speeding up the Navitas is a band-aid. CCP needs to revist changing the penalty on a few select rigs to not cripple a racial fleet style just for the sake of having a pattern in rigs.

I do actually agree with this one, speed makes more sense that strength, ESPECIALLY with armor reps. There will be much work to be in testing, I'll be flying these myself alongside you guys once they're on SiSi. If they need some extra love to get functioning just right, that speed may be it. This makes a lot of sense when coupled with the cap bonus that many of you are questioning the existence of. Zippier reps need more cap to keep up the same amount of HP / s.

CCP Fozzie, the Tormentor should be in the Inquisitor's spot. There's really no shame in admitting that the first, inexplicably early revision of one of the least used hulls in the game was incorrect. I'm still 100% expecting a missile Inquisitor that doesn't suck, so fix it. Besides, "Tormentor" is a much more appropriate name for something that prevents you from killing someone.

Also, I fully agree with switching the rep amount bonus to a cycle time bonus so armor is not as gimped with late reps. The remote repair capacitor reduction will have to be increased to support quicker cycles. Shouldn't really be a big deal, just switch the range and amount bonuses.

Example Bantam
Frigate skill bonuses:
100% bonus to the range of shield transporters per level
15% bonus to shield transporter capacitor use per level
Role bonus:
33% reduction in shield transporter duration

Instead of getting better repair performance as the pilot's frigate skill improves, they gain additional range. Thoughts?

they tried to do this a few months ago and got trolled pretty hard by the community... i think they need to rethink all rig penalties in the first place...

Logi frigates? What's logi? Wasn't he the fire dude in das rhinegold?


I can see why CCP is doing this, but these seem very specialized for a frigate class.