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Complexs, Escalations and Fighters

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Lorenn Keldar
The Forgotten Desciples
#1 - 2012-08-20 04:43:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Lorenn Keldar
Part 1) Running various complex's in Null-sec (Hubs, Havens etc). I Can run them fast and repetitively. Not nearly as fast as a friend of mine. I use fighters and he doesn't, He gets 2 escalations a day average ( of course there are days when none show), and I don't get escalations for 2 weeks or MORE!! i can make BILLIONS doing the complexes before i get a single escalation....

Part 2) If i Do get escalations I run them without fighters. The character who does the majority damage to the "trigger" unit gets the next level of escalation. EX: room 1 and 2 of the Fleet Staging Point. The escalation from room 1 to room 2 is guaranteed, as well as room 2 to room 3 (Final).

Part 3) Do complexes have a similar mechanic for applying escalations to participants of the Plex? If so, are fighters considered not a participant because they are actually controlled by the carrier NOT in the plex?

Final) Are my fighters ruining my escalation chances because the escalation is trying to be awarded to the fighters/carrier pilot (Carrier not in Plex) instead of the participants in the plex? This has been tested for at least 3 months of nearly no escalations. 4 Total escalations in 3 months of 5-20 Complexes a day.

I'd hope to get some official word on this but if players are able to explain I would appreciate it.

Edit: Just ran a Complex with NO fighters and got an Escalation immediately. It took me longer to finish the site however. I don't want to have to sacrifice my "Isk/hour" (oh god) to get the elusive escalation with varying worth from 100mil to 2bil.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#2 - 2012-08-20 12:33:34 UTC
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Part 1) Running various complex's anomalies in Null-sec (Hubs, Havens etc). I Can run them fast and repetitively. Not nearly as fast as a friend of mine. I use fighters and he doesn't, He gets 2 escalations a day average ( of course there are days when none show), and I don't get escalations for 2 weeks or MORE!! i can make BILLIONS doing the complexes before i get a single escalation....


You're not running complexes. You're running anomalies. You then are getting escalations to complexes, in this case the Fleet Staging Point.

Anomalies generally escalate to DED rated complexes. While Staging Point is not officially rated, it behaves just like you would expect a DED 9/10 to behave, so for all intents and purposes, it is a DED complex that anomalies can escalate to.

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Part 3) Do complexes have a similar mechanic for applying escalations to participants of the Plex? If so, are fighters considered not a participant because they are actually controlled by the carrier NOT in the plex?


Again, complexes = anomalies. And yes in regards to players, no in regards to fighters/drones. And if another player that is running the anomaly with you and is in fleet with you gets the escalation, you will get a notification to follow them or some such nonsense.

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Final) Are my fighters ruining my escalation chances because the escalation is trying to be awarded to the fighters/carrier pilot (Carrier not in Plex) instead of the participants in the plex? This has been tested for at least 3 months of nearly no escalations. 4 Total escalations in 3 months of 5-20 Complexes a day.


No. See above.

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Edit: Just ran a Complex anomaly with NO fighters and got an Escalation immediately. It took me longer to finish the site however. I don't want to have to sacrifice my "Isk/hour" (oh god) to get the elusive escalation with varying worth from 100mil to 2bil.


Your expectations for escalations are far too high. The odds of escalation are extremely low. This example here is simply an anecdotal anomaly. Lower your expectations.
Lorenn Keldar
The Forgotten Desciples
#3 - 2012-08-20 17:48:40 UTC
Anomalies escalating to Complexes is indeed what I was referring to. Thank you Salazar.

I do have a high expectation for escalations. I watch my friend get 1-4 escalations in a solid stretch of anomaly ratting, 2-6 hours usually, 5 minutes per anomaly. Granted he may not get a single one on some days, but he always has escalations in his journal. Obviously some have been refreshed and are just waiting to be run.

I, on the other hand, will run anomalies for the same periods of time and have had an empty journal for 2+ weeks now. I can run the anomalies in 10 minutes. His chances of getting escalations are higher because he does 2 times more sites than I do per hour. Even at my Lowered rate of site completion, I should still be getting 1-2 escalations a week (expectations still too high?)

All in all, I'm not asking for guaranteed escalations, just wondering if there is some segments of code not working properly in reference to fighters in anomalies. If another player has a similar/opposite experience with delegated fighters, I would like to hear of it.

I would appreciate if a DEV could confirm what Salazar was saying about fighters not ruining your escalation chances. Maybe just take a look at the mechanics to see if they are working properly. I'm about to embark on a weeks worth of no fighter anomaly ratting to see if there are any changes in escalation rate. Should I go to Sisi and bug test this to get more Dev attention?

I'm terrible at math, but even I can see some numbers not adding up.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#4 - 2012-08-20 22:20:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Emperor Salazar
Its highly unlikely that a dev is going to respond. You're not a special snowflake, despite what you think.

Just accept that random is random and carry on. Fighters aren't playing a part; I know plenty of people in my alliance that use assigned fighters and still get escalations. I know this, because I usually run said escalations for them.
Stetson Eagle
Paird Technology
#5 - 2012-08-21 12:48:19 UTC
Escalation goes to a pilot on grid and in fleet of the last rat kill. Fighters don't play a role in it.

Angel Forsaken Hubs are in fact faster to run in a maxed fighter Thanatos than in a maxed sentry carrier, but require more attention to do properly. The difference is minimal, some 5 mill per hour at tops (41-ish mill ticks to 43-ish) :
- Lag-assign your fighters to have them travel towards target "before landing the kill shot on previous", using re-target time decently. One of sentry carriers' main drawbacks is the 4 second drone locktime, which fighters can put to good use traveling. It takes practise to put this to good use, but it makes a noticeable difference.
- Have your fighters kill close by rats at all time to prevent them from microwarping; have 3 TP's on target to land hits during mwd.
- (Align to next site while killing off the last rat or 2, though you want to do this in a sentry carrier too)
- Do note that fighter carrier scales much more with carrier skill and drone control units than a sentry carrier, because the faster you kill the rats, the less your fighters need to travel.