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Somer Blink: Legit or Scam?
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Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#261 - 2012-08-19 15:23:50 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:
Fools believed that Somer Blink could do no wrong, but these people are not out here for your sake.

They are here to make a profit, the chances that they actually could have been caught screwing with the system was fairly low.

With no transparencies in the system, they could fabricate any sort of story to fool and cover their track.


Fortunately, their overconfidence left a vulnerable backdoor to for a hacker to reveal the truth about the Greed behind Somer Blink to the World.



So, how much ISK did you lose?
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Doomheim
#262 - 2012-08-19 15:29:04 UTC
Something tells me that blogspot was set up by a competitor lottery.

Nobody would put that much effort into 'educating people' without some kind of return.
cragz
Four-Q
#263 - 2012-08-19 15:45:25 UTC
I thought it was just another typical gambling site but the evdience posted on that Blink Exposed site is damning and unquestionable.

I mean the charater that supposed to have played and won a trillion isk since august 2011 but was only created in may this year. Shills, again another scam that all gambling sites use so can't really single blink for that .

Wow just glad I stopped after a few sessions on there.
Dranchela
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#264 - 2012-08-19 16:36:23 UTC
cragz wrote:
I thought it was just another typical gambling site but the evdience posted on that Blink Exposed site is damning and unquestionable.

I mean the charater that supposed to have played and won a trillion isk since august 2011 but was only created in may this year. Shills, again another scam that all gambling sites use so can't really single blink for that .

Wow just glad I stopped after a few sessions on there.



This was already explained.

Face it, may of y'all get in there and dump billions expecting to win trillions and trillions of ISK and ships. People, it's gambling. If you don't have a reasonable grasp on reality don't gamble.
Potittious
Doomheim
#265 - 2012-08-19 20:03:54 UTC
i can't believe people play somer at all. its entire model is basically selling things at 100% markup to small groups of people too stupid do basic math. they have a vested interest in having their alts pickup every extra ticket they can to increase the odds that all the money stays with somer. why wouldn't they do it? its eve! why shouldn't they do it? the only way it could affect them adversely is if they got caught. even then they could just say, no, we'd never do that. it would ruin our business if we got caught. oh wait.... how meta.
Piddle Diddy
Doomheim
#266 - 2012-08-20 01:11:10 UTC
they also send people into the bigger, more public corps like eve uni to advertise in channel. they camoflauge it by talking about somer rather than just outright advertising. i wouldn't have thought twice about it until i saw it in three different corps i was infiltrating. somehow these positive talkers have always managed to 'beat.' statistics make liars of them, so i dont' know who they think they're fooling.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#267 - 2012-08-20 01:54:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
Piddle Diddy wrote:
they also send people into the bigger, more public corps like eve uni to advertise in channel. they camoflauge it by talking about somer rather than just outright advertising. i wouldn't have thought twice about it until i saw it in three different corps i was infiltrating. somehow these positive talkers have always managed to 'beat.' statistics make liars of them, so i dont' know who they think they're fooling.


Ahem. Statistics will state that /some/ people will win. They're just the outliers.

After all, people win Lotteries, and win millions at that. There are just a lot more losers.

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Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#268 - 2012-08-20 02:18:06 UTC
You folks who continue to put isk into player run banks, insurance, lotteries and other such silliness run by people you don't know in a game that ENCOURAGES scamming just prove that PT Barnum was right...

"There IS a sucker born every minute!"

Got isk to burn? Do what I do, once in awhile, find a new player set him up and maybe even spend a little time teaching him a few things.

I just did that this past week. Picked him out of local, gave him a few rigged ships and an Ishkur (which he is now training to fly). Took him with me on a lvl 4 mission yesterday, let him warp in after I got aggro and get the frigs for me. Then I let him loot and salvage the whole mission.

I just like to find a little more positive things to do with my spare isk. That noob is alot more worthy of my attention than some scammer.

If it is too good to be true...well u know the rest.

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#269 - 2012-08-20 02:21:51 UTC
Ariel Armani wrote:
Hello,

I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun".

Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link -

http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/

That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences".

So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad?

Thanks! Smile

I have never had an issue with somer ever, its a fun way to kill time and spend some isk, just remember it is a lottery system. As for their recent issues they have been very upfront with what happened.

The LULZ Boat.
Kel Shek
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#270 - 2012-08-20 03:48:40 UTC
cragz wrote:
I thought it was just another typical gambling site but the evdience posted on that Blink Exposed site is damning and unquestionable.

I mean the charater that supposed to have played and won a trillion isk since august 2011 but was only created in may this year. Shills, again another scam that all gambling sites use so can't really single blink for that .

Wow just glad I stopped after a few sessions on there.



"damning and unquestionable"? you've got to be kidding me. its anything but.

the blink exposed site's arguments are pathetic, shallow and ill informed. they are all quite questionable, and quite explainable.

also, you aren't required to use your "main" character to gamble with. you can use an alt, you just aren't allowed to blink with more than one character per player.


Potittious wrote:
i can't believe people play somer at all. its entire model is basically selling things at 100% markup to small groups of people too stupid do basic math. they have a vested interest in having their alts pickup every extra ticket they can to increase the odds that all the money stays with somer. why wouldn't they do it? its eve! why shouldn't they do it? the only way it could affect them adversely is if they got caught. even then they could just say, no, we'd never do that. it would ruin our business if we got caught. oh wait.... how meta.


and you accuse others of being too stupid to do basic math?
the fact is that its gambling.

you can deposit approximately the value of a ship. and have something around a 50% chance of winning that ship. and an increasingly small percentage of winning more than one of that ship. if you are smart, you balance the odds of winning nothing, against the not-terrible chance of breaking even, and the opportunity to win more than one of that ship, or to say, win the ship, and your money back. and an even smaller chance to win the ship, and MORE Than your money back.

now, why wouldn't they do it? because if they did it with even a relatively moderately sized selection of alts, it would become rather obvious relatively quickly. and to make it take any time at all, let alone to make it beyond reasonable conclusions, would take an enormous amount of time and effort.

and the fact is, why SHOULD they? its a lot of effort to make just to make MORE money when you already have plenty of unlimitedly inflowing money. it makes no sense at all to spend all that effort AND risk your cash cow, just to get more money sooner. especially when you already have enough to do anything you could want.

Piddle Diddy wrote:
somehow these positive talkers have always managed to 'beat.' statistics make liars of them, so i dont' know who they think they're fooling.

thats silly. the fact is that people who win, are more likely to talk about it. a large portion of losers will just sulk away and hide their shame the best they can. this is why there might be a statistical dissonance. people who win, will be inclined to brag and defend the medium of their fortune.

I've won a bunch, and a non-corp member, but friend of the corp, won a few billion worth in a mini-bonk a while back. these are simply coincidences. the fact is that blink is huge, and people DO win and "beat the odds". people DO have streaks and beat the odds by an enormous margin sometimes. (thats part of randomness)

the bottom line is that theres no evidence of any cheating, shills or illegitimacy. none.

perhaps if I have a nice fat winning streak this coming celebration, I'll share screen shots or maybe even see if theres a way to do an API key that would be restricted enough for me to be comfortable with sharing, while give useful information. though then there would just be more bizzare explanations of how it wasn't legit either.


i'm curious what evidence of legitimacy people would need.
Call Me Allen
Doomheim
#271 - 2012-08-20 06:20:22 UTC
Let's face it, unless they open up the backend of their site, we'll never know if they're legit or not. Here's the bottom line: cheating is totally doable for them; there's no reason not to do it; its eve, so its kind of the point to do it and get the new high score on the scam 'boards' and a gaming site story or two; they haven't voluntarily brought in a reliable third party to oversee their operations and guarantee legitimacy; they are totally, utterly, and completely unregulated.

Given everything we know about eve and human nature, you'd be a fool to think it wasn't a scam. It isn't the eve community who has to prove they aren't up to no good, Somer has to prove it. Otherwise, you're just taking their word for it. Ask the people who had Mittens third party their titans and supercaps about trust in eve. Hell, people won't trade cap ships without someone like Chribba, but somer is moving trillions of ISK through their apparatus and they're immune to greed and the immutable laws of eve? who the **** are you kidding?
Marquess Molita
#272 - 2012-08-20 15:08:25 UTC
has Somer Blink ever actually had a comment on this?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#273 - 2012-08-20 15:29:19 UTC
Marquess Molita wrote:
has Somer Blink ever actually had a comment on this?


Look for posts by Andrev Nox

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Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#274 - 2012-08-20 15:58:29 UTC
Several times, in this thread, before people created alts just to necro it out of oblivion.
Piddle Diddy
Doomheim
#275 - 2012-08-20 16:10:33 UTC
Abditus Cularius wrote:
Several times, in this thread, before people created alts just to necro it out of oblivion.

there was exactly a 7 day gap in the thread. that's not necroing.

yet another somer apologist
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#276 - 2012-08-20 16:48:54 UTC
Just sick of the spammy "OMG CONSPIRACY" alt threads.

7 days was the latest "Nobody cares about my thread, I better bump it again" The prior necro was:
#235 Posted: 2012.07.12 12:09
#236 Posted: 2012.08.07 17:32
Othran
Route One
#277 - 2012-08-20 16:50:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
I'd put money on this being the Evealopolous (or whatever) spammers starting the thread.

If you can't compete then spam local with trial alts and then smear a good amount of **** around. That seems to be their modus operandi.

Won't work Big smile
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#278 - 2012-08-20 16:56:26 UTC
Probability is hard.
Piddle Diddy
Doomheim
#279 - 2012-08-20 17:08:26 UTC
Othran wrote:
I'd put money on this being the Evealopolous (or whatever) spammers starting the thread.

If you can't compete then spam local with trial alts and then smear a good amount of **** around. That seems to be their modus operandi.

Won't work Big smile

yes, it could only be "competitors" that no one has ever heard of and who aren't mentioned anywhere in the thread... until you mentioned them.

do you normally trust people in eve on their word alone? srsly. do you?
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#280 - 2012-08-20 17:13:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiyora Akachi
I trust people in EvE.

Just not NPC corp forum alts.