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The Maze - Raven + Basilisk, possible?

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Bleu Blood
Vapid Vacuums Inc.
#1 - 2011-10-12 19:45:13 UTC
I have not run this plex before and would like to give it a try.

After reading up all I can find on The Maze 10/10 complex, I would like to know from any seasoned maze veterans if it could be possible to run this plex using only a standard Raven, buffer fitted, being repped by a Basilisk?

Yes I am aware that T2 resists and low signature radius is recommended for this plex, and high EM resist is needed for the last room, so ishtar / nighthawk/ minmatar HAC's etc, but I'm an unskilled scrublord who can't use any of these ships, I do have friends I could tank it, but I want to try this out first =)




The First Room

After actually entering the plex in a n00bship, I have seen exactly which NPC's are in the first room, and tried to calculate their volley damage and dps using NPC database website.

I got: 1464 dps, with a 5948 volley. All Kinetic Damage. Does this seem correct?


The Raven will be fitted something like this (room for improvement, please feel free to suggest things, thats if you dont think the whole thing is a waste of time and it will get insta popped lol):

[Raven, the maze buffer]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Cruise Missile
Large Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I
Large Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I

Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x10

It is not capstable running the smartbombs, but i wont be perma running those anyway, with those off it is.

15 light drones because I am paranoid about being web/scrammed by frigs and losing all my drones somehow =p

Looking that fitting through EFT, it looks like it will be able to handle the first volley in the first room ok before reps arrive, does anybody else agree or disagree?

The Basilisk will be fitted with 5x 'Large S95a Partial Shield Transporters' and these can be perma-run (meaning no tank on the basi so if it gets aggro it goes boom lol, but it will have a cloak so should be ok)

This should give the above Raven fitting a 4000dps tank vs kinetic damage, which I'm sure is more than enough.



My main problem

The main problem I think I will face is the last room, the EM citadel torpedo's, I've looked all over the internet and can't find a definative number for the amount of damage they do, I've seen numbers from 15,000 EM damage to 180,000 EM damage... =S

Can anybody who has run this plex please give me an exact figure on the amount of damage these torpedos do?
And will the Raven fitting be able to tank it? (I may need to add more EM resist, using more Photon Scattering Fields or EM rigs, or even swap to a Scorpion standard issue, due to the extra mid slots, any suggestions?)

If it is 180k EM damage, I'm in trouble cos there's no way I'll be able to mitigate damage through speed or sig lawlz.

And my last question, are there any NPC's in the plex that are awkwardly hard to kill, and can't be killed by solo Raven?



Thank you for reading my wall of text, I look forward to replys, please reply if you have run this plex before or run this plex regularly, any information just copy pasted from google searchs i have already read lots of times =p
lots of love, BB x x x x


inb4 "no"
inb4 *link to wiki page*
inb4 "use ishtar/nighthawk/tengu/minmatar t2etc"
inb4 *google*
etc...
Mirima Thurander
#2 - 2011-10-12 20:48:39 UTC
go for it and let me know what happens

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.

Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-10-12 22:17:27 UTC
There are dozens of frigates int he last room, and half of them scram and web you. Just FYI.

And you are gonna need close to 90% EM resist for the last room. The maze is very hard to do, need at least 4 ships or so to get it done in a reasonable amount of time.

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Bleu Blood
Vapid Vacuums Inc.
#4 - 2011-10-12 23:05:33 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
go for it and let me know what happens


If I do go for it I will let you know.

Headerman wrote:
There are dozens of frigates int he last room, and half of them scram and web you. Just FYI.

And you are gonna need close to 90% EM resist for the last room. The maze is very hard to do, need at least 4 ships or so to get it done in a reasonable amount of time.


Yes I know there are many frigates throughout the plex, have you done the maze before? would you say you could sacrifice some kinetic resistance to fit more EM?

I know I won't be able to complete it (if at all) very quickly, I want to try this as a challenge really, I could easily just call a bunch of friends in on it to nail the plex very quickly (which is what i will do if i fail lol)
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-10-12 23:21:41 UTC
I have done, but i did it in a RR phoon... and died. But that was because he sent me in first instead of his Nighthawk (which would have tanked it fine).

Ur raven looks fine for most of it, but i would get a scorp and fit extra EM hardeners if u can

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#6 - 2011-10-12 23:37:05 UTC
NO, just NO lol. Any raven, fitted anyway (including full officer fit) would die trying to tank a maze in the last room, even if it made it through rooms 1 and 2 (2 is the worst, 1 is merely just bad, rooms 3 and 4 or not that terrible). Don't even try it unless you just like you ships going boom, the maze is not to triffled with.

Get someone to tank for you till you can use any of the good solo tank ships (Tengu and loki have worked the best). Well fit Tengu can solo it, but its really slow. 2 Tengus (tank Tengu and DPS + target painer Tengu) works really well. Tank Tengu + Machariel (this is how I do it)/marauder/even T1 BS for DPS works also. I put a cloak on the mach and cloak between spawns in the last room, keeps all aggro on the tengu. With 2 well fit tengus, you don't have to kill anything but the scramming frigs and the station.

But serioulsy, let the Raven Tanking it idea go, it will end horribly lol.
Czeris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-13 05:55:27 UTC
I will second this. You cannot tank the Maze in a Raven. Period. Shocked

The first rooms are nothing special. No one ever really mentions them because they're easy. The last room is the kicker.

You will be instantly scrammed and webbed to 0. You will be shot by the station for 6000 points of Omni Damage on warp in (this happens every time you warp the tank in, once). Everyone forgets about this because the proper way to tank the Maze is to use a low sig t3 and that shot often misses.

You will then be shot every thirty seconds by a torpedo that does 180 thousand EM damage, which you will take close to full damage from since your sig radius is enormous and you're going 0.9 m/s

Oh, and you're still being shot by a room full of guristas rats, too.

I tank the Maze in a Tengu, which can solo it if necessary, and usually use a second account for DPS (doesn't really matter what this is, since it's DPS). Fit a cloak on your DPS ship so it can avoid aggro on respawns.
Bleu Blood
Vapid Vacuums Inc.
#8 - 2011-10-13 06:06:30 UTC
Ty for replys all, I ran through the plex with a friend using a tengu tank, smooth and easy and boring as hell, I'm totally doing it in a Raven next time, the first rooms will be so easy, I will attempt the last room, if it dies it dies and I lose a crappy Raven or Scorp, if it works I will put it on youtube for creamy goodness! x x x x
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-10-13 06:36:45 UTC
When I lived in Guristas null, my standard Maze running comp was 1600mm plated Loki for tank, Oneiros for reps and 2x DPS ships. Could blitz the plex in around 30 minutes.
marinko26210
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-10-13 09:06:58 UTC
Devoter for tank
Oneiros for reps
at least one dps ship.

or

Broadsword for tank
Scimitar ofr reps
at least one dps ship.

Point is you need at least 3 ships, you can't do it with 2. Shiptypes can be different but basic composition must be 1 for tank, 1 for reps and 1 for dps.

Done maze at least 20 times, heard stories from other pilots at least 100 times, lived in tribute for year and the half, but I never heard anyone done it with raven and logi.

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#11 - 2011-10-13 12:44:01 UTC
marinko26210 wrote:
Devoter for tank
Oneiros for reps
at least one dps ship.

or

Broadsword for tank
Scimitar ofr reps
at least one dps ship.

Point is you need at least 3 ships, you can't do it with 2. Shiptypes can be different but basic composition must be 1 for tank, 1 for reps and 1 for dps.

Done maze at least 20 times, heard stories from other pilots at least 100 times, lived in tribute for year and the half, but I never heard anyone done it with raven and logi.


Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#12 - 2011-10-13 15:11:19 UTC
Damn forum still eating posts.

I was saying, you don't need 3 ships for a maze. I do Maze's with Tengu (nullified and cloaky, so its both scout ship and tank) and Machariel (use Maelstrom while training up mach skills). 30 mins tops, know which gates to go through and gates are not locked, kill nothing but dire frigs (with missiles from tengu and drones from mach) and the station at the end, piece of cake.

I use the same set up for Fleet Staging Points, but because of the neut batteries I change out my tengu's shield boost amp for a cap battery.
Amsterdam Conversations
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-10-13 15:25:04 UTC
The torpedo does in fact deal 180k damage. All you need is a high EM resist + some extra for whatever faction you're up against.

As for tanking... Like said before, any T2 armor tanking should work, especially minmatar ones, though amarr should be fine, too.

Just make sure to sig radius tank it as much as you can.

Couple years ago, the first and only time I did it, a corpie yelled "I'm in a Golem, I can tank this" and died in a fire.
Bleu Blood
Vapid Vacuums Inc.
#14 - 2011-10-13 16:11:39 UTC
Amsterdam Conversations wrote:
The torpedo does in fact deal 180k damage. All you need is a high EM resist + some extra for whatever faction you're up against.

As for tanking... Like said before, any T2 armor tanking should work, especially minmatar ones, though amarr should be fine, too.

Just make sure to sig radius tank it as much as you can.

Couple years ago, the first and only time I did it, a corpie yelled "I'm in a Golem, I can tank this" and died in a fire.



lol ye local tank golem bad idea fo sure
Czeris
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-10-14 15:00:42 UTC
Bleu Blood wrote:
Ty for replys all, I ran through the plex with a friend using a tengu tank, smooth and easy and boring as hell, I'm totally doing it in a Raven next time, the first rooms will be so easy, I will attempt the last room, if it dies it dies and I lose a crappy Raven or Scorp, if it works I will put it on youtube for creamy goodness! x x x x


I'm not sure why you're so dead set on blowing up a Raven, but keep shining you crazy crazy star.