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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2012-08-20 10:40:09 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
If you want to be a news site not a propaganda machine you need to realize that like a restaurant you must give the customers what they want not what you want.

that's the very argument that has killed "journalistic" news on all ad-funded networks.

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Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2012-08-20 10:43:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Frying Doom wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
I didnt see that article. Not sure Frying Doom did either.

The Eve News 24 one?
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/08/20/battle-report-42xj-n-madness/


I stopped reading En24 a while back. I meant themittani.com one.

Yeah I read that one too and as I said I feel I was better informed by EvE News 24, I can't say if it was biased, I wasn't there after all.
I just look at the kill logs and watch the videos after giving the story a quick scan.


I wasn't there either as it isn't my time zone. I looked at the En24 article (the horror) and I may point out that one devolved to name calling pretty quickly while the other proceeded to give an accurate account as to why the fight occurred and not just how.

Verdict: en24 is still ****.

edit: I say this because themittani.com article wasn't just "a fight happened! Silly goonies hurf blurf"

I'd like to point out that I like in depth reporting over sensationalist journalism and I'm well aware of what sells more, sadly.
Frying Doom
#143 - 2012-08-20 10:43:57 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
If you want to be a news site not a propaganda machine you need to realize that like a restaurant you must give the customers what they want not what you want.

that's the very argument that has killed "journalistic" news on all ad-funded networks.

Yeah strangely its supply and demand and like the capitalist system we have if you are not providing the customer with what he wants then you go under.

Or I hear you can still work for Chinese government media and tell people what they don't care about and then you get to be a propaganda machine.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#144 - 2012-08-20 10:47:04 UTC
Syler Puuntai wrote:
Light text on a dark background is a terrible idea, same goes for this forum.


No a terrible idea is trying to pretend a monitor is a piece of paper and making yourself go blind with black text on white background.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Frying Doom
#145 - 2012-08-20 10:51:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Aruken Marr wrote:
I wasn't there either as it isn't my time zone. I looked at the En24 article (the horror) and I may point out that one devolved to name calling pretty quickly while the other proceeded to give an accurate account as to why the fight occurred and not just how.

Verdict: en24 is still ****.

edit: I say this because themittani.com article wasn't just "a fight happened! Silly goonies hurf blurf"

Ok to save time I will just post the bloody article, as The article does not contain any name calling that I can see, but I am going blind so....

"EvE News 24" wrote:


Battle Report: 42XJ-N Sunday Madness.

Home » Battle Report: 42XJ-N Sunday Madness.
20 Aug Posted by Submissions in Battle Reports, Videos | Comments (11)
Battle Report: 42XJ-N Sunday Madness.

What follows is a battle report from a Black Legion. pilot who “Was There” – enjoy the reading:
Dotbros, Nulli & IRC vs The Deklein Coalition – 42XJ-N brawl

The war against Goons has started to get ~serious~, with some systems in Tribute starting to have their sovereignty threatened. That was the premise for the start of this nights op. Well, that and Elo promised cap kills, as Goons were reffing things with caps and an 80man support fleet. Some cat and mouse was played in the 03C-SU constellation as DotBros bridged in around 160 man AHAC fleet in an attempt to catch some caps, and then kill them.

Things didn’t quite go that way, and the DotBros ended up bridging back to H-W9TY and then rebridging to Venal for a C0NVICTED Dysprosium moon coming out of reinforce in 42XJ-N.

The hope was a brawl would happen and MAYBE we’d get this moon. (This moon has been the sight of quite a few brawls between DotBros and Goons). The AHAC fleet entered system first, followed shortly by an Intrepid Crossing support fleet of Muninns. Pings were made, warpins were adjusted, and probes were set in preparation of the Goon coming to save the tower.

A Rifter played around near the edge of the pos shields and was the focus of some interceptors, as the general consensus was that this ship was one of the cyno ships that would be used to get Goons into the system. More cat and mouse as the AHACS moved around the system, eventually to the G9D gate when word of an approaching Drake fleet was received.

Then the cynos went up.

Two simultaneous cynos were opened on a tower: one used to bridge in a Maelstrom blob, the other to bridge in tracking dreads/carriers.

Why Goons brought tracking dreads to an AHAC brawl is confusing at best. One cyno Falcon was killed, and the fight, it seemed, was on.

DotBros warped out, then quickly warped in to get better positioning both on the Maelstroms and the caps. Capital ships were primaried first, with a Moros and 2 Chimeras quickly erased from the field. The focus then shifted to the Huginns that were on field. Once sufficient numbers of Huginns/Lachesis/Scorpions were dead, the AHACS repositioned on top of the Maelstrom fleet.

Bubbles went up and a Turkey Shoot commenced. The Maelstroms no longer much of a problem, the Drake fleet was then targeted by the DOTBros. Even as the Goons tried to skirt the range of the AHACS, ships were being killed at a solid pace.

Vily was webbed and pointed and eventually blapped as the rest of the Drake fleet microwarpdrived out of the range of the AHACS. At this point, with their FC dead and DBRB having to take over this fleet (he was fcing the Maels, but was killed) the Goon drakes began disengaging and began to warp off.

DotBros very convincingly held the field, even replacing the tower with their own though it is already reinforced.

Source: http://www.evenews24.com/2012/08/20/battle-report-42xj-n-madness/

Then there is the videos, always cool and then some crap by other people

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2012-08-20 10:57:42 UTC
Stopped reading after "Themittani. com".

Ugh.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2012-08-20 10:59:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Frying Doom wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
I wasn't there either as it isn't my time zone. I looked at the En24 article (the horror) and I may point out that one devolved to name calling pretty quickly while the other proceeded to give an accurate account as to why the fight occurred and not just how.

Verdict: en24 is still ****.

edit: I say this because themittani.com article wasn't just "a fight happened! Silly goonies hurf blurf"

Ok to save time I will just post the bloody article, as The article does not contain any name calling that I can see, but I am going blind so....

"EvE News 24" wrote:


Battle Report: 42XJ-N Sunday Madness.

Home » Battle Report: 42XJ-N Sunday Madness.
20 Aug Posted by Submissions in Battle Reports, Videos | Comments (11)
Battle Report: 42XJ-N Sunday Madness.

What follows is a battle report from a Black Legion. pilot who “Was There” – enjoy the reading:
Dotbros, Nulli & IRC vs The Deklein Coalition – 42XJ-N brawl

The war against Goons has started to get ~serious~, with some systems in Tribute starting to have their sovereignty threatened. That was the premise for the start of this nights op. Well, that and Elo promised cap kills, as Goons were reffing things with caps and an 80man support fleet. Some cat and mouse was played in the 03C-SU constellation as DotBros bridged in around 160 man AHAC fleet in an attempt to catch some caps, and then kill them.

Things didn’t quite go that way, and the DotBros ended up bridging back to H-W9TY and then rebridging to Venal for a C0NVICTED Dysprosium moon coming out of reinforce in 42XJ-N.

The hope was a brawl would happen and MAYBE we’d get this moon. (This moon has been the sight of quite a few brawls between DotBros and Goons). The AHAC fleet entered system first, followed shortly by an Intrepid Crossing support fleet of Muninns. Pings were made, warpins were adjusted, and probes were set in preparation of the Goon coming to save the tower.

A Rifter played around near the edge of the pos shields and was the focus of some interceptors, as the general consensus was that this ship was one of the cyno ships that would be used to get Goons into the system. More cat and mouse as the AHACS moved around the system, eventually to the G9D gate when word of an approaching Drake fleet was received.

Then the cynos went up.

Two simultaneous cynos were opened on a tower: one used to bridge in a Maelstrom blob, the other to bridge in tracking dreads/carriers.

Why Goons brought tracking dreads to an AHAC brawl is confusing at best. One cyno Falcon was killed, and the fight, it seemed, was on.

DotBros warped out, then quickly warped in to get better positioning both on the Maelstroms and the caps. Capital ships were primaried first, with a Moros and 2 Chimeras quickly erased from the field. The focus then shifted to the Huginns that were on field. Once sufficient numbers of Huginns/Lachesis/Scorpions were dead, the AHACS repositioned on top of the Maelstrom fleet.

Bubbles went up and a Turkey Shoot commenced. The Maelstroms no longer much of a problem, the Drake fleet was then targeted by the DOTBros. Even as the Goons tried to skirt the range of the AHACS, ships were being killed at a solid pace.

Vily was webbed and pointed and eventually blapped as the rest of the Drake fleet microwarpdrived out of the range of the AHACS. At this point, with their FC dead and DBRB having to take over this fleet (he was fcing the Maels, but was killed) the Goon drakes began disengaging and began to warp off.

DotBros very convincingly held the field, even replacing the tower with their own though it is already reinforced.

Source: http://www.evenews24.com/2012/08/20/battle-report-42xj-n-madness/

Then there is the videos, always cool and then some crap by other people


You missed a spot:

Quote:
It should be noted that IRC lost more Muninns than what is shown in that BR Doctor, and that DBRB rage logged after having his alts killed and podded in each of the Goon fleets. B.Legion best Legion


Another point I'd like to make. Riv is definitely quick to jump on any CFC losses but when it's the other way around you're lucky you see an article within a week let alone at all. Hence why I don't read it Lol
Frying Doom
#148 - 2012-08-20 11:03:03 UTC
When you compare the EvE News 24 article to themittani article you can see why I feel better informed by EN24

This is the story the rest is just padding
"TheMittani" wrote:

Measure and Counter-Measure

Now we move onto last night, and an enemy fleet that has adapted to what we bring. Since Hilmar's article of last week, first we and then the enemy adapted, and they are no longer are they bringing Tier 3 battlecruisers to lose en masse to bomb-runs. Instead, they have switched to AHACs and a fleet of Black Legion's old, familiar munnins, with instacane support to completely counter bomber runs.

The CFC brought the usual: Alphafleet and Drakefleet. With hostiles already in system shooting the tower, CFC decided on a clever tactic, drake fleet bridged in off the pos to pull the AHACs off the gate, Alphafleet then jumped in. In a matter of minutes all fleets were engaged on the pos, CFC brought in caps to tip the scales. Alphafleet then bounced off to the sun to get range on the AHACs, a move that would generally make sense.

However, with 100 zealots at close range on caps, they started melting dreads and carriers while Alphafleet was not pressuring them. Capitals might no longer be the disastrous loss they once were, but this was still a mistake: the CFC lost 3 capitals, perhaps needlessly. It's difficult to imagine in Eve Online that a single mistake in a 600 man engagement could really change much, but it can and it did. No one enjoys losing capitals, and no one certainly enjoys being the one in charge when they're dying, this is where the anger started, and lasted several minutes until the capitals jumped out.

There was not much chatter after that. Neither the Alphafleet FC nor the Drakefleet FC survived for very long. Comms became quiet as a reinforcement fleet attempted to form up. The hostile AHAC fleet had already reshipped and returned to the fight (due to the proximity of 42XJ to the hostile staging system that I mentioned earlier) while the Alphafleet and Drakefleet were unable to receive any replacements, and any lost ship was lost for good at this point. The organised fighting tailed off, but more ships were lost as people discussed what to do and whether or not to keep fighting. The tower was dead, the mood was not brilliant.

With NC. placing their own tower on the corpse of AIF's former one, the fleets returned home, disheartened once again by the shitfest that is 42XJ - a major juxtaposition from the earlier 1500 man fleet rolling around to take the GIH ihub down.

Source: http://themittani.com/news/42xj-anatomy-cfc-loss

The Eve News 24 story seemed a lot more detailed.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Gothikia
Le Goobers
#149 - 2012-08-20 11:03:50 UTC
In all honesty, it actually is a good site. Better written than EVE News 24 is, that's for sure! The features section of the site is very, very well put together with the design being clean, efficient and a pleasure upon the eyes.

Use Adblock though...

<3 Gothie
Frying Doom
#150 - 2012-08-20 11:04:26 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:

You missed a spot:

Quote:
It should be noted that IRC lost more Muninns than what is shown in that BR Doctor, and that DBRB rage logged after having his alts killed and podded in each of the Goon fleets. B.Legion best Legion


Another point I'd like to make. Riv is definitely quick to jump on any CFC losses but when it's the other way around you're lucky you see an article within a week let alone at all. Hence why I don't read it Lol

Yep I missed that, it was below the videos in the "I never bother to read" section

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#151 - 2012-08-20 11:07:38 UTC
Gothikia wrote:
In all honesty, it actually is a good site. Better written than EVE News 24 is, that's for sure! The features section of the site is very, very well put together with the design being clean, efficient and a pleasure upon the eyes.

Use Adblock though...

Don't get me wrong even with the awful propaganda sounding name and url http://themittani.com oh just don't type http://themittani.org

The site its self looks clean and nice I just would like to see more articles of every major battle and well lets face it videosLol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2012-08-20 11:08:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Frying Doom wrote:
When you compare the EvE News 24 article to themittani article you can see why I feel better informed by EN24

This is the story the rest is just padding

The Eve News 24 story seemed a lot more detailed.


Like I said I'd rather read a narrative than a step by step approach to each specific action in the fight. I find a outline of what occurred much easier reading when I'm trying to get a bigger picture of the fight. About the "padding" what's wrong with background in an article? Some people enjoy the politics and greater strategic importance that go into these fights and not just a step by step accounting. (people like me basically. I turn up to these fights but sometimes I don't have a clue what's in the bigger picture besides "we're taking this space/moon. It's nice to see a written account from the people who do.)

But now this is just apples and oranges.

edit: I too would like to see images and video's breaking up the text. But maybe that's just not what they're going for. Given it's only been a week it's still early days yet.
Frying Doom
#153 - 2012-08-20 11:12:16 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
When you compare the EvE News 24 article to themittani article you can see why I feel better informed by EN24

This is the story the rest is just padding

The Eve News 24 story seemed a lot more detailed.


Like I said I'd rather read a narrative than a step by step approach to each specific action in the fight. I find a outline of what occurred much easier reading when I'm trying to get a bigger picture of the fight. About the "padding" what's wrong with background in an article. Some people enjoy the politics and greater strategic importance that go into these fights and not just what a step by step accounting.

But now this is just apples and oranges.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with the padding, just the fact it was not the commentary on the actual fight.

Yes there is a bigger picture to almost everything in EvE and I am yet to find a website that discloses all I would like to know.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2012-08-20 11:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Frying Doom wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
When you compare the EvE News 24 article to themittani article you can see why I feel better informed by EN24

This is the story the rest is just padding

The Eve News 24 story seemed a lot more detailed.


Like I said I'd rather read a narrative than a step by step approach to each specific action in the fight. I find a outline of what occurred much easier reading when I'm trying to get a bigger picture of the fight. About the "padding" what's wrong with background in an article. Some people enjoy the politics and greater strategic importance that go into these fights and not just what a step by step accounting.

But now this is just apples and oranges.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with the padding, just the fact it was not the commentary on the actual fight.

Yes there is a bigger picture to almost everything in EvE and I am yet to find a website that discloses all I would like to know.


Same here. I reckon if they got more contributors from everywhere in EVE (hence why I suggested you put something forward) the site could provide that. But I can imagine people are still put off by the name at this point. I would myself if they didn't already have my side already covered in a far more literate fashion. As soon as they can get more writers from -A- and NC./BL/IRC that'll help smoothen things out. Regardless of my aligned background it's nice to see a site that wants to cover it all as opposed to simply provide a commentary from their own perspective/agenda. Basically, Riv is one bitter Panamanian.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#155 - 2012-08-20 12:12:43 UTC
Andski wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Devilish Ledoux wrote:
So, how long until EN24 is nothing but blog posts and trolls trolling trolls?




(It is a trick question you see as it has been that since almost immediately after its creation.)
Required reading.


you should be a the mittani dot com writer


Tippia's talents might better commend her to the role of critic.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#156 - 2012-08-20 15:54:12 UTC
You name the site themittanidotcom and are baffled people are not lining up in droves to go there? lol You immediately force the readers to pick a side. Isn't this thread evidence enough that you need to change it to something more neutral? Was internetspaceshipsisseriousbusiness.com already taken?
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#157 - 2012-08-20 17:21:48 UTC
Surprisingly unbiased news site. I think the name isn't the best choice as to the immediate pubbie viewing it they'll think the worst.
Amarra Mandalin
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#158 - 2012-08-23 01:05:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarra Mandalin
EVE politics aside, I work in the news/web content industry and was rather impressed with the quality. I've seen more blatant yellow journalism and bias to be sure. So, I remain open-minded, if not optimistic, about the publication. It's pretty snazzy looking too. +1

Darn. I really hate admitting this, too.

Otherwise, competition is a good thing. I look for Eve News24 to step up their game as well.