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[Winter] Support Frigates

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Aethlyn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2012-08-20 14:37:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Aethlyn
Sounds really interesting, although I'm not 100% sold on the range. It feels a bit big and might make it even more tricky not to multi box with the range boost being somewhere between 300 and 400 % only.

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iskflakes
#82 - 2012-08-20 14:38:22 UTC
These recent frigate changes only affect about 1% of the playerbase, not worth the effort in my opinion. New DUST players won't want to rep anything anyway.

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MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#83 - 2012-08-20 14:38:37 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
These frigates seems very far from the resilience of T2 logi we have now, and I'm not sure they will be able to repair effectively while fleeing from swarm of drones : MWD is hard to permarun with cap intensive modules on a frigate. As Fozzie said, they are slow and even AF may catch them. They will have a very hard life on the battlefield.

If solo : kill the logi frig ; it'll be easier and faster than anything before. If they have more than one logi frig, then they would have been at least 3, and you would have been in great trouble anyway.



yeah serious kill the logi then that other ship would not have an internal rep so it goes down fast too...

someone tell me again whats this guys problems or did someone pee in his cheerios this morning...


I am guess that he likes to kill easy t1 frig targets in his expensive t2 ship. Now he will have to work for it and he doesn't care for it to much. I could be wrong though
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#84 - 2012-08-20 14:45:47 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
These frigates seems very far from the resilience of T2 logi we have now, and I'm not sure they will be able to repair effectively while fleeing from swarm of drones : MWD is hard to permarun with cap intensive modules on a frigate. As Fozzie said, they are slow and even AF may catch them. They will have a very hard life on the battlefield.

If solo : kill the logi frig ; it'll be easier and faster than anything before. If they have more than one logi frig, then they would have been at least 3, and you would have been in great trouble anyway.

I mean that I don't see this frigate as a problem because they are far less powerful than the T2 cruiser logi, even on the frigate scale. I think they are well designed as is : a powerful addition to a gang but with obvious weaknesses.
Murashu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2012-08-20 14:46:13 UTC
Great news for those of us who like flying frigs/dessies in small gangs! Between the logi frigates and the upgraded Breacher I'm really excited about this expansion. Now where are my missile destroyers?
Stonecold Steve
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#86 - 2012-08-20 14:48:06 UTC
I wonder what would happen with bomber fleets vs a full frig/destro fleet? Full t2/faction frig fleets protecting bigger fleets during ops. Including frig rep. Awesome!Pirate

“Hasta la muerte, todo es vida.”

Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
#87 - 2012-08-20 14:48:51 UTC
Oh yes, missile destroyers. Yes please! I am looking forward to the Minmatar one in particular.
Manar Detri
#88 - 2012-08-20 14:51:06 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
A merlin with one of these repping it gets nearly a 300 dps tank. That is breakable with 2 assault frigs no prob, usually an assault frig with no damage mods does 170-200 dps, should work nice.
Edit: "oh, so just go kill the logi frigate" - indeed, this is a good advice, one af keeps the other ship pinned down while the other one mwd's to the logig frig.


Your example is horrible. Here i fixed it for you. Oh yeah just to make sure you understand, my ruppie with scimi support will kill your t2 cruiser np.
Inepsa1987
#89 - 2012-08-20 14:59:15 UTC
Fozzie best dev.

Spaceship Pilot.

MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#90 - 2012-08-20 15:01:06 UTC
Love it
Love everything about it
WTB Navitas Blink

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."

Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2012-08-20 15:02:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
My first impression is that frigate gangs are about to get real. This is great news. They seem a bit homogeneous though. The differences are very minor except for the slot layout and type of remote rep bonus.

I've mentioned this a few times already (apologies for reposting), but is there any chance to make the new Amarr destroyer rocket based so that a stepping stone for the Malediction, Vengeance and Heretic exists? I don't think I'll like a drone-based destroyer anyway.
Letrange
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2012-08-20 15:04:32 UTC
You guys realize that the Thrasher just went and became THE t1 destroyer with the introduction of these ships?
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#93 - 2012-08-20 15:06:18 UTC
Letrange wrote:
You guys realize that the Thrasher just went and became THE t1 destroyer with the introduction of these ships?


You mean it wasn't already?

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."

Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2012-08-20 15:06:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
Letrange wrote:
You guys realize that the Thrasher just went and became THE t1 destroyer with the introduction of these ships?


Sadly this is probably true. We need module adjustments too or the tiericide will not fully achieve its goal of diversity in ships being flown.
Deena Amaj
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2012-08-20 15:06:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Deena Amaj
This is great! Me gusta!!!11!1!1!!!1!!

Edit:
So it is not farfetched to come with new ideas for existing hulls after all. There were too many ships doing the same thing. This is going the right way.

confirthisposmed

I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them.

Stumpet Rakingclaw
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2012-08-20 15:06:36 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
...Everyone needs more logistics support and giving new players or even bitter vets a cheapish, low skillpoint way to play a role that is sorely needed is a positive overall.



This.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#97 - 2012-08-20 15:08:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Harari
Manar Detri wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
A merlin with one of these repping it gets nearly a 300 dps tank. That is breakable with 2 assault frigs no prob, usually an assault frig with no damage mods does 170-200 dps, should work nice.
Edit: "oh, so just go kill the logi frigate" - indeed, this is a good advice, one af keeps the other ship pinned down while the other one mwd's to the logig frig.


Your example is horrible. Here i fixed it for you. Oh yeah just to make sure you understand, my ruppie with scimi support will kill your t2 cruiser np.


Bullshit. a vaga can engage outside scram range and can then just chase down the scimi, and can probably just break your reps anyway.

And a cynabal can just dual prop around with med ecm drones on the scimi
Grog Drinker
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2012-08-20 15:13:05 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Manar Detri wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
A merlin with one of these repping it gets nearly a 300 dps tank. That is breakable with 2 assault frigs no prob, usually an assault frig with no damage mods does 170-200 dps, should work nice.
Edit: "oh, so just go kill the logi frigate" - indeed, this is a good advice, one af keeps the other ship pinned down while the other one mwd's to the logig frig.


Your example is horrible. Here i fixed it for you. Oh yeah just to make sure you understand, my ruppie with scimi support will kill your t2 cruiser np.


Bullshit. a vaga can engage outside scram range and can then just chase down the scimi, and can probably just break your reps anyway.

And a cynabal can just dual prop around with med ecm drones on the scimi


The scimi and vaga also have similar investments in SP and cost. The frigs in this example do not at all.
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
#99 - 2012-08-20 15:26:54 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
... I am aware that any expansion of logistics capability in eve makes things harder for solo players, and we are endeavoring to make sure that these frigates add options to combat instead of taking them away.




I understand where you are coming from with these changes. But they still make me a bit sad sinceI have never feel anything warping into a target in a gang or fleet. I get really, really, excited/anxious/nervous/ect doing it solo and hate to see made harder to do.
Zarnak Wulf
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
#100 - 2012-08-20 15:28:31 UTC
I only recently noticed how sexy of a ship the Navitas was. I'm glad to see it getting some love.