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[Winter] Support Frigates

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Uranium 242
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-08-20 13:12:08 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
When will you introduce equally powerful cheap-ass mini-Titans with jump-portaling ability? This will be perfectly in line with CCP general idea of making everything available to everyone.


**** off with this elitist bullshit. Everyone needs more logistics support and giving new players or even bitter vets a cheapish, low skillpoint way to play a role that is sorely needed is a positive overall.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#42 - 2012-08-20 13:12:11 UTC
so fozzie besides maybe adding some more drones to these ships what t2 frigs will be out for winter ?

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Azula Kishtar
Lonely among the Stars
#43 - 2012-08-20 13:17:13 UTC
I'm sad that i will never see my solo PvP Bantam come true now.

But i still like this overall. I may have to rejoin RvB for a while when these Frigates hit TQ, because i can see RvB using them all over the place. They never really used T2 Logis or their T1 counterparts, but i think they will give those here a try. And i want to see how that plays out.

FW will see some use, too, i guess.

As for the ship stats themselves, i can't really say anything about that. I don't know much about remote repping, so i don't know how well their stats are balanced among the class.
Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
#44 - 2012-08-20 13:23:22 UTC
What I can definitely see happening is wolfpack gangs of frigs taking on gangs of larger ships. This will force the group of larger ships to call in or reship to smaller ships. Hopefully this will generate the "battles within battles" of frigates that was mentioned in the Alliance Tournament.

Hopefully, frigates will be relevant again. And not just for solo or newbies.
Kyle Yanowski
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#45 - 2012-08-20 13:23:57 UTC
Javajunky wrote:
Looks good on paper but if I remember correctly, most of the time in Frig Roams most frigs insta-pop even in small pvp engagements. New Logi pilots --- needed to learn how to be frustrated? I dont ever remember frig fights where I had enough time to even broadcast for reps never mind lock someone else and provide them. Exercise in futility, 0 for 2 with CCP F.uck it up. First making mining worthless again and now this? Maybe you want to to try your luck at drawing pretty laserz in the graphics department, management might feel like they are getting something for that paycheck.



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Kitty Vintner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-08-20 13:28:20 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:

One concern I have is that this is going to further encourage multiboxing. Where currently everyone and their grandma has an off-grid booster and call it "solo", now they're going to have one more account for this "pocket healer". I mean it's great for CCP income-wise, but this will wreck a new player experience.

My new player experience: "Logistics ships look cool, let's just plot it out in evemon-oh it'll take like five months to get into one ~nevermind~".
BBQ FTW
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#47 - 2012-08-20 13:33:56 UTC
excellent, clearly the game needs more piloting-independent methods of providing damage mitigation

good job ccp
Haraku Malzahar
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-08-20 13:33:57 UTC
Shiroh Yatamii wrote:
Hopefully, frigates will be relevant again. And not just for solo or newbies.

because frigates are at all currently used, right?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&view=kills&all_id=3716&m=8&y=2012&scl_id=4
tgl3
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-08-20 13:40:16 UTC
Massive +1 from me, these look fun as hell to fly.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#50 - 2012-08-20 13:42:57 UTC
BBQ FTW wrote:
excellent, clearly the game needs more piloting-independent methods of providing damage mitigation

good job ccp





Orbit, f1 f2 f3 is super hard
Sven Wolfbane
Pure Avarice.
Rote Kapelle
#51 - 2012-08-20 13:44:31 UTC
wtb T3 frigates .. it's about time CCP...
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-08-20 13:48:05 UTC
wouldnt the logicl path here be to make the osprey and its counter parts into a full t1 logi criuser. ?
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#53 - 2012-08-20 13:49:09 UTC
serras bang wrote:
wouldnt the logicl path here be to make the osprey and its counter parts into a full t1 logi criuser. ?


I completely agree.

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#54 - 2012-08-20 13:51:59 UTC
Sweet

These are gonna shake everything up in small scale cheap ass combat. Perfect for RVB :)

And long range frigs might be more useful now. To drive off the enemy logi frigs.

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Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#55 - 2012-08-20 13:53:10 UTC
how does this not make solo pvp exponentially harder?
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#56 - 2012-08-20 13:54:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Killz
This probably shouldn't be done. Logistics and ECM are both very powerful, but logistics is limited to less than a few ships (most of them are gimped). Proliferation of logistics is a dangerous move. Possibly even a dumb move?

'10% bonus to Remote Armor Repair amount/Shield Transporter boost' should b REMOVED and so should '500% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers/500% bonus to the range of Shield Transporters'.

This change will make solo pvp difficult, but this game is about fleet warfare. The growth of the player base will also make solo pvp difficult. So what!? This is a multiplayer game afterall v0v.

Solo pvp Can happen and will continue to happen, but this game isn't about solo pvp and shouldn't be built around solo pvp or limited by it...

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Gabriel Luis
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#57 - 2012-08-20 13:55:11 UTC
I think the Amarr one should get a cap bonus like the Augoror. Then it would be very viable to have some logi in frigate fleets.

(tl;dr)

[03:18:54] Zack1023 > tishu = pl, nc.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#58 - 2012-08-20 13:55:44 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
how does this not make solo pvp exponentially harder?


Actually I was thinking about the same. I doubt Kil2 will like this. But if CCP balances it well it should be possible to deal with them as solo pvpers. Atleast I hope.

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Geoscape
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-08-20 13:58:05 UTC
I am so happy right now Cool
Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2012-08-20 13:58:14 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
serras bang wrote:
wouldnt the logicl path here be to make the osprey and its counter parts into a full t1 logi criuser. ?


I completely agree.


well...

logically, shouldn't we have a (new) logi destroyer between these new logi T1 frigs and the (future revamped/balanced) logi t1 cruisers?

we have a brawler destoyers... looking at all these frig changes and roles, I would say we need 1 line of sniper destroyers, 1 line of elect. warfare destroyers and now a new line of logi destoyers to make the bridge between the new revamp t1 frigates and the future t1 (revamped/balanced) cruisers

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