Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So my nano fits were too OP (lol vaga solo'd cruisers and frigates and pve fit battleships yayyy) but Cloak/nullified isn't?

I saw the Dev blogs on "ship balancing"...dramial speed nerf yada yada. Well I can state for fact there were more ways to catch fast ships than there are ways to catch a cloaked/nullified t3 cruiser. The Proteus still puts out some serious damage with the setup. More damage than my vagabond ever could (which could only solo pve fit ratters and t1 cruisers and some frigates. Trust me I tried soloing a pvp fit megathron in my vaga... it wasn't happening.)

As far as I know the only SURE way to catch a cloaked/nullified proteus is to put so many drones around a gate that there's no possible way to recloak after coming through a gate.. which can cause lag issues and imo is not an exploit when for the purpose of catching proteus's griefing in your space.

It's hard enough to decloak a cloaker as it is. To take away the time a bubble you can buy you makes it almost impossible.


My question is... why take away all interceptors ability to do the same... why take away all vaga's abilities to do so. (If I remember right the people complaining about nano fits didn't care whether or not people fit a 1billion isk clone just to reach the speeds that people complained about so the pricetag on t3 cruisers is NOT acceptable to me as an excuse for it's ability to gank and run with more ability to do so than nano fits ever had).

Nullfied needs to go. Cloaky isn't the issue. It's the cloak with the nullification that makes these ships a nuissance. People called the vaga the FOTM. Well I see it being a blaster fit proteus soon.

The people defending cloak/nullification use the same arguments we nano fitters used when we were defending one of the (imo) funnest ways to pilot in this game... you added the ability for warp scrams to disable MWD's just to further reduce the efficiency of speed in this game.

I've adapted to that. But there really is no adapting neccessary for the cloaked/nulled proteus. Soon we'll see swarms of drones left on every gate... people trying to pick them up will be scolded or shot. Just think how long it took people to catch on to the fact that nano "needed" balancing. (it still wasn't neccessarry imo.. bubbles + speed + instalock + web worked fine for catching a nano fleet...) Most people weren't willing to give up their tank fits for some speed and spank... so we mostly chose our engagements at will.

With my skills I can turn in warp in a cruiser sized vessel well before any of the ships at current speeds could get in range to decloak. WIthout Null they'd need a bubble to even stand a chance and even then I'm willing to bet more times than naught I could evade a decloak.

So why on earth.. make them that much more evasive? It took a long time of eve being alive to findout nano fits were "unbalanced"..so here in the next few months/years when everyone's flying cloaky proteus I won't be surprised to see an influx of them. "No ship should be invincible" they said about nanos.. which we weren't. If caught we died quick.. and this charactor was trained initially to fight other nano fits rather than come to the forum and whine about it.

How many cloak/nullified proteus pilots were around to cry about nano? It's my turn now. Fix the ships CCP. 2 ships and a shiptype come to mind with the complaints of nano. Sabre, Vagabond, Interceptors. 1 ship defines the need for this nerf - Blaster Proteus.

So why when our ability to choose our engagements or flee was an option 95% of the time would you consider that in need of a nerf, yet draw plans to make ships that could put out more gank than those nanos you nerfed and be able to even warp out of a bubble? That's like 99.999~ chance of escape or busting any gate camp. Large bubbles be damned. After my long vacation from eve due to absolute boredom and watching veteran players drop out of the community like flies.. I was enjoying myself until I stumbled across the thought that "wow...it's impossible to catch a cloak/nulled proteus without leaving drones surrounding the gate all day."

SO please... get rid of nullification...or make it impossible to equip that with a cov-ops cloak. It would fix a serious flaw in your game, and the mentality in which you devs make your decisions. Like listening to people who refused to train skills and fly ships that can catch "those other fast players in their extremely expensive clones and ships" (likely mostly carebears), and then giving real pvper's the issue of having a ship that is almost impossible to catch. Even WITH bubbles and fast lockers + inties. I haven't flown an interceptor in a long time. Used to love them. ALl it ever took was a web or neut to stop them before the speed nerf..never did much damage in them.. easily countered yet so fun to fly and use for the purpose of decloaking/tackling. My sabre feels like a petrified turd in space that's going to die if I bring it into combat. (my assault frig has a better chance of surviving than either) Vaga's still suit their purpose to an extent.. but considering I can buy 3 fleet stabber hulls for the price of one vagabond, not worth it.

I guess I'm going to have to buy a nullified/cloaky proteus and pvp will eventually just become ganking ratters in my enemies space either as instigation or payback for them being in my system with their cloaked proteus. Sound boring yet? No amount of isk in one ship should make it uncatchable unshootable untouchable right? Thats why you nerfed nano.. and we were catchable..shootable..touchable. Barely had jack for a tank..put out 300+ dps..ooh ah. At least back then having a 1billion isk clone in a sabre/vaga/interceptor was justified. Not anymore. I've adapted.. make t3 pilots do the same please.

If you are camping a gate and your Interceptor pilots cant decloack a (usually plated) Proteus its their problem.
If you do not have Interceptors in your camp; its your problem.
Either way its certainly not a balancing problem.

Imo T3s are fine, the Legion is god damn useless but thats mostly because the Zealot ist just too damn awesome (and the Ham subsystem is a joke).

Edit: also did you just say that the Sabre is the bad ship?

The Sabre? Really?

Baits require the pilot to engage. It was the same deal with the nano fit vaga gankers... Apparently the choice to engage or flee was too much for some people who couldn't utilize one of several options to deal with nano fits. So I fail to see why it's ok for the t3.



This is a features and suggestions forum not COAD. Some corps don't like their "mains" posting in forums at all period. Get over yourself troll.



The sabre is crap compared to what it used to be. Interdictors sucked back in the day EXCEPT for the sabre. Now even with 3400shield hitpoints and 200dps it's still going to be primaried and has way less options for getting out of that mess other than do what other dictor pilots do...doublebubble cloak. Now all interdictors are freakishly boring instead of at least having the option of the sabre, which was an extremely mean ship if you didn't have webs/neuts.

As far as decloaking someone..SURE decloaking someone is DOABLE. But generally only with a bubble. Most cruiser sized vessels and smaller with cov-ops cloaks that can initate warp, hit cloak with nothing to stop them except for an inty pilot (who now does 5km/s instead of 11) will MAKE THAT warp. THe bubble was the only other counter to that.. and like i said even then I can evade most gate camps ina cloaky bubble or not. Nullification is just stupid..especially with a cov-cloak. It shouldn't take 50 ships or 300 drones just to have a CHANCE of catching a ship. Just like "it shouldn't have taken 2 inties/rapier and some dps" to catch a vaga. To justify one but not the other is simply just hypocritical.

No disrespect to anybody.. I just see it being more unbalanced than speed EVER was. If you don't remember the big speed nerf you're a relatively new player.. so I don't expect you to understand. CCP Remembers what I'm talking about very well.

Just to add to this tidbit - intercepters are simply useless now imo - they pop quicklike. Assault frigs for warp scrams all day.

Do you even live in 0.0? If so, I hope you're a main. I'd be glad to come into your systems when I'm done training for the proteus just to show you, you'll never catch me- and engaging you will always be my choice. Not yours (which is exactly why the crybabies of old begged for a speed nerf). You're playing video games and complaining about wasted time. Funny.

Great? Maybe either pve in a pvp fit, bait and blob them (im fairly sure you guys are at least good at this), or dont rat with neutrals in local.

Its too bad you wont tell us who you are so we can see your great experience in pvp.

(Im going to go ahead and guess that 90% of your kills have rapier+falcon+sabre on them)

yes interdiction nullifier has to go. Its what I'm saying since their introduction, they make moving through 0.0 too safe or even almost riskless.

My complaint is that you baiting is what people considered the only option to catch nano yet they nerfed speed..why add nullifcation+covops? The same tactic was easily used with neuts to stop a nano in a belt. I'm not raging sir.. stating facts. My offer was to give you an example.. not take the bait..get kills I knew I could get and leave your systems with a bitter taste in your mouth rather than "i almost had that mofo!" or "he killed you guys but we got him back for you" Cov-ops without nullification break gate camps well enough.

Last time I checked (yesterday), a Proteus is a damn slow brawler that can be tackled easily by almost any other ship with just a T1 point (it's so damn slow you don't even need a web), the nullifier is not a warp core stab.

The only way a Prot can bail out of a fight is with ECM drones.

Tbh if you can't catch a plated blaster brawler, I'm afraid CCP can't help you.

You are right, I don't really understand your issue here.

If the nasty Proteus doesn't engage and there is no fight, you also don't get any losses. How is it OP then?

Are you arguing that a bubble camp should be able to kill every ship that jumps in?

If you are really only saying the Nullifier subsystem needs to be nerfed because nanos were nerfed, then ok, cool story bro.

I also think that Olympics should be contested naked, because beer is really expensive in downtown Helsinki.