Ships & Modules

Yup - that's what I do on my frig-only alt. Tackle-ceptors have their niche thanks to the long point, however I used to fly most combat ceptors with an AB anyway and as such, they're not really worth it over the T1 frigs.

ATM, I don't even see the price-tag justified for some AFs compared to the former highest tier frigs even though they were recently buffed.

It's not that I couldn't afford them, but they're easier to get fights in and not that much worse for a fraction of the price.

However, we're still looking a grossly inflated T2 prices still, so hopefully that'll balance out once more counters to the tech monopoly are implemented.

MWD sig bonus can be the difference between life and death when tackling cruisers and BC. And you forgot the T2 module cost in your price multiplication. With modules, T1 frigs are 2 or 3 times only cheaper than ceptors, and my bet is that ceptors are still at least 2 or 3 times more survivable.

Combat ceptors though compared a lot less favorably.

I must admit that I find this response terribly amusing. On the one hand, you seem to have completely misunderstood my post (cost isn't an issue I care about). On the other, you seem to think that we worry more about reshipping in low sec than in null sec. Well, you're 0 for 2 there.

Heeeeeey batta batta batta sawiiinngg!!!

-Liang

Probably not much of value, but Inties should still be faster in warp, in terms of AU/s. It is decisive for specific situations.

To expand a bit on Liang's statement about the combat role here...

The question you should ask yourself is if it's "worth" flying Interceptors now with only half the rebalance done.

It's really a straightforward discussion, so i'm not going to be spending much more time in this thread. There's just an obvious undertone here. If you ask why they should be flown people will begin to list small obvious details in favour of certain ships, at the same time it's glaringly obvious that the new EVE ships are better than the old ones at similar tiering, which means you can expect at least all Cruisers to see similar nudges while classes like BC who are considered "problematic" will have a different attention paid to them.

What's obvious now is that there is not as much incentive to fly related Tech II until they have been adressed, you don't need any thinly veiled rhetorical questions for that and it's going to be interesting to see how AF pair up once the entire frigate line is complete, or wether they would need to be adressed again.

I'm still quite at loss as to why this much attention is being spent on complete overhaul of largely reasonable class differences, under some sort of pretense that the new balance will be superior to the old one. They could easily just have axed BC cost-effect and then done ship-ship reviews within class. It's been my main argument throughout all these "new balance" threads, that the actual balance of the old ships was never bad and i'm highly sceptical to that specific part (just the balance of classes, cost or quirky bonuses aside) being done better.

There's been this misconception brewing lately that certain ships are bad just because you get better options with next to no difference in cost or near equal options while slashing cost by wide margin. If BC actually went on to cost 4x as much as a Cruiser it's likely that Cruisers would see more use. If a HAC didn't actually cost 10x of a BC then people would maybe see the appeal in those ships (compared to a class above) same as they suggest use for the Interceptors here.

Comparing Interceptors to Tech I frigates here do not open as many eyes, since they are still reasonably affordable ships.

An Oracle costs between 7x-10x the price of an Amarr cruiser, before fittings. A Harbinger only costs up to 5x as much.

Really? my crusader caught and held a navy slicer long enough for my fleet to kill it and me survive with 80% structure. The executioner who tried earlier could not say the same.

I view the combat ceptors as a good counter to these rebalances t1 tacklers.

It was not the catching. That can often be easy in RvB. A lot of pilots think they are hot because they can fly fast little ships. They try to slip in, pull a frig off, then kite it and run before any help arrives. The crusader's e xtra tank let me survive long enough for help to arrive and get additional points on the slicer.

What this thread is missing is that a properly setup fleet interceptor should be pushing 6.1k EHP before fleet bonsues, with a 29k point, while still traveling fast enough to hold anything but a speed tanked frigate. 35% of the cost of my ceptor is modules/rigs, so at most my ceptor costs 3x the price of a comparably configured T1 frig, for 3x the tank and better tackling, I'm gonna stick with the ceptor.

As its almost always used in fleets, there is a reasonable chance I'll be getting command links, which boosts the EHP up to 9491 and a 34.38km point (targeting range).

Unless you are throwing Pilot skills into the mix how do you expect the Inty to stand up?

A well trained Inty pilot (5 is the only way to go!) Can get great speed at a tiny signature and a bloody long point. This will allow you to easily orbit a BS and it's smart bombs along with most Warrior 2's (unless they are very well trained Drone Pilot).

You can't take away half of its bonuses and then say it doesn't work...... well, you can, but it's silly!

Regards

Barrak