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Its finally happend: ccp killed amarr/minm fw fun
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Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#121 - 2012-08-20 06:00:03 UTC
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
PS - The alt formerly known as Damar : I still have nothing but pity for you as a human being. Your bitterness still clouds your view and judgement. You also belong in the FW 'would be better off without' category but I think you knew that. Sorry!


"Release your anger, only your hatred can destroy me!" - Darth Vader

If you wanted my respect, you joined the wrong militia. What you did so many years ago will not be forgotten.
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#122 - 2012-08-20 06:07:53 UTC
It's funny, because the caldari could still help you. Yet we won't because you felt that pissing on us was a better way to go.

SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#123 - 2012-08-20 06:08:26 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
"Release your anger, only your hatred can destroy me!" - Darth Vader
Why are you quoting yourself again?
Shaalira D'arc
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2012-08-20 06:13:05 UTC
Damar's quoting the Sith, now? That explains so much.
Braitai
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#125 - 2012-08-20 06:28:17 UTC
Cearain wrote:
I'm thinking about 70% of plexes were run in frigates probably 70% of those frigates were t1 frigates.


Citation needed.
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#126 - 2012-08-20 07:22:44 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Muad 'dib wrote:


how long will that last?

my corp is top for pvp kills for years, and now more than ever, but guess what, fighting mwd frigs with no guns sucks.




Whilst I sympathise with your cause, I still wonder what happened to Amarr milita.

If your corp is the top killing corp for years, I wonder why the top non-NPC corp according to Amarr miltia KB stats would still be Absinthe Brothers (Consortium), who are dead for 1-2 years (Yeah - according to the list, ARETR would come out on top, but absinthe are on that list twice and just had to reform at some point for whatever reason, so their kills need to be added up).

When I pulled my alt out about 2-3 years ago, minmatar was getting faceraped on a daily basis despite having the bigger numbers, so WTF happned?


Thats not really the most accurate killboard in terms of current groups.

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David Devant
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#127 - 2012-08-20 07:52:07 UTC
I'm going to make a controversial point because I think it might be constructive.

The Amarr militia has no good FCs. By that. I mean it has no one who will ball up 20 or so cross militia pilots and throw them around. Individual corps are happy to play, but no one will take a lead like Neph or BSC used to.

If TMFED pulled their fingers out *ahem* they would be more than capable of fulfilling this role, but it would probably require them flying ships like plain old bingers and canes to its a no go.

The Amarr militia needs some leadership. I hope it gets it soon...
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#128 - 2012-08-20 08:00:26 UTC
RTSAvalanche wrote:

You skipped over one of the major points which is how does the loosing side keep fighting when their isk dries up?

Minmatar are sololy after protecting their valued systems, which is understandable - but an often side effect is having literaly an enire fleet (most notebly Stabber fleets, blackbirds) to fight one or two people, in simple - alot of minmatar militia are not interested in pvp, but are just interested in protecting their systems


There is nothing wrong if people want to play faction warfare. Amarr got their isk, but they decided not to fight, so it is not about money it is about will.
Dan Carter Murray
#129 - 2012-08-20 08:07:27 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:

No docking in systems not owned by your 'team'


station lockout is perfect because of this

that's just my opinion. fighting in plexes is where it's at.

Also, when people move into a system (corp, not alliance) then it's in your benefit to defensive plex as per this

It really doesn't even take a lot of effort...and farmers don't want to come to try to farm your system if they know they're just going to get run out or popped by your 75km thrasher or your 100km cormorant.

plus, moving into a system that you actively defend and offensive plex around brings you fights and at the same time demoralizes the enemy...at least that's what i hear (there you go sasawong, now you have a "welcome to faction warfare" made about you

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#130 - 2012-08-20 08:08:41 UTC
David Devant wrote:
I'm going to make a controversial point because I think it might be constructive.

The Amarr militia has no good FCs. By that. I mean it has no one who will ball up 20 or so cross militia pilots and throw them around. Individual corps are happy to play, but no one will take a lead like Neph or BSC used to.

If TMFED pulled their fingers out *ahem* they would be more than capable of fulfilling this role, but it would probably require them flying ships like plain old bingers and canes to its a no go.

The Amarr militia needs some leadership. I hope it gets it soon...


FW is not about Fleet fights really.

FW is about system control war and most important thing in this new system is to stop farming alts, to stop those you have to split forces all over FW area to chase farmers off. When farmers are no longer problem you can defend systems better.

If you do not stop farmers there is no point to run even fleets. You need bigger fleets only when busting ihubs.
Dan Carter Murray
#131 - 2012-08-20 08:16:33 UTC
Hrett wrote:
So - I have never been to the Minnie/Amarr front. Is it more big fleets there? What is the main difference?

I just have no idea how you guys have less pvp. It has exploded on our side.


This is minmatar/amarr front:
Amarr corp: we have 4 people online, let's offensive plex in that medium that's available next door.
Minmatar alliance: we have 30 people online, let's bring 5 blackbirds and 25 SFI. Oh and don't forget the triple links.
(a few minutes pass)
Local chat:
Random Minmatar Dipsh*t > Oh you cowards don't want to fight us?


Another example:
Amarr corp: let's move out of the warzone and base out of highsec
Minmatar alliance: let's move into the warzone since it's probably the smart thing to do

Final example:
Amarr corp: Oh...I'm the only one online...I guess I'll see who that WT is...
Random Minmatar Dipsh*t > STOP SHOOTING, I'M IN YOUR CORP THIS IS JUST MY ALT

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Dan Carter Murray
#132 - 2012-08-20 08:17:28 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
troll
The moment you allowed WBR to be your lead corp was the moment you started to failcascade. It took the Caldari two years to recover from WBR. It might take you guys two years as well. But at least you can start the rebuiding process now.
/troll


wait just one second here...WBR was the lead corp?!?!?!


no they helped no doubt, but lead? no.


WAIT JUST ONE SECOND HERE...WBR HELPED OUT?!?!?!??!

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Dan Carter Murray
#133 - 2012-08-20 08:21:29 UTC
Horak Thor wrote:
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Amarr had lot of systems, but after they got those, they already decided that they can not keep those.

So why to whine that CCP ruined everything? FW is going just as amarr wanted.


Not to mention this: http://imgur.com/a/oUUXy#71

but I guess certain corps just like basing out of highsec or non FW lowsec...yes that is a sleight to Amarr (sorry)



I would love for amarr to get an injection of members but me switching sides doesnt mean i dont have balls. i dont want to fight for amarr, ive fought for minmatar since 2009 ( on , off to null) and its part of who i am in game.


The only part I read was "I don't have balls".

If you have some dumb@ss RP reason to stay in minmatar militia, then I'm confident in your mental capacity to create an even better dumb@ss RP reason to swap to amarr.

Let me know if you need help on that dumb@ss RP reason to swap to amarr. I can think of about 19,324,870,192,384.

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Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
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#134 - 2012-08-20 08:31:47 UTC
David Devant wrote:
I'm going to make a controversial point because I think it might be constructive.

The Amarr militia has no good FCs. By that. I mean it has no one who will ball up 20 or so cross militia pilots and throw them around. Individual corps are happy to play, but no one will take a lead like Neph or BSC used to.

If TMFED pulled their fingers out *ahem* they would be more than capable of fulfilling this role, but it would probably require them flying ships like plain old bingers and canes to its a no go.

The Amarr militia needs some leadership. I hope it gets it soon...


Our alliance was constantly running public fleets whenever we had FCs on. There was pretty much always a 20-30 man fleet going on US TZ and we ran EU TZ fleets when we had the FC's online. There was a few weeks where we had 13 hour long pickup fleets. Unfortunately, pulling people into fleets to fly around PVPing does little to control the warzone and any attempts at running plexing fleets usually never lasted more than hour before people got bored.

So many people are quick to judge the Amarr for not working together and coordinating, but the truth is we did a lot more coordinating and working together than people realized. There were many times I would look at how many people we had in fleet compared to how many members WBR had online and many times we had roughly a third of our militia in fleet with the other third of the active pilots being WBR and the other third being AFK/randoms.

Though, these were also times where we only had 90 in militia chat compared to the 220 or so that the Minmatar had.

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Alaxander Row
Criterion.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#135 - 2012-08-20 08:48:41 UTC
Mentlegen I would like to put my 2 cents in here. As the hilarity continues and the swine continue to lay blameless and point at another like apes flinging there own excrement Fate may have left FW but we have far from left the area as those who must adapt to the times we have adapted our goals were never FW Control but PVP and FW gave US a means to reach our goals. Willing to work with those around us but hesitant of those who have proven their worth on the battlefield . We are still here adapting and having fun shooting things last night was funny when there were 200 minmatar on and 70 amarr on and half of the amarr was Fate. Not gonna lie I thought it was funny and proceeded to kill anything that moved. Our goal was never to take control or be some grand stand for the ammarian empire for that is not the way of the potato or the fastest way to enjoy cream. We simply wanted to kill everything and in true pirate style (trigun is a pirate troll corp afterall) we decided to kill Anything that moved
Dan Carter Murray
#136 - 2012-08-20 08:54:04 UTC
Alaxander Row wrote:
Mentlegen I would like to put my 2 cents in here. As the hilarity continues and the swine continue to lay blameless and point at another like apes flinging there own excrement Fate may have left FW but we have far from left the area as those who must adapt to the times we have adapted our goals were never FW Control but PVP and FW gave US a means to reach our goals. Willing to work with those around us but hesitant of those who have proven their worth on the battlefield . We are still here adapting and having fun shooting things last night was funny when there were 200 minmatar on and 70 amarr on and half of the amarr was Fate. Not gonna lie I thought it was funny and proceeded to kill anything that moved. Our goal was never to take control or be some grand stand for the ammarian empire for that is not the way of the potato or the fastest way to enjoy cream. We simply wanted to kill everything and in true pirate style (trigun is a pirate troll corp afterall) we decided to kill Anything that moved


so you joined a side in a war instead of being true pirates?

makes sense in a dumbsh*t propeller hat wearing sort of way i suppose

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Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
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#137 - 2012-08-20 08:57:41 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
Alaxander Row wrote:
Mentlegen I would like to put my 2 cents in here. As the hilarity continues and the swine continue to lay blameless and point at another like apes flinging there own excrement Fate may have left FW but we have far from left the area as those who must adapt to the times we have adapted our goals were never FW Control but PVP and FW gave US a means to reach our goals. Willing to work with those around us but hesitant of those who have proven their worth on the battlefield . We are still here adapting and having fun shooting things last night was funny when there were 200 minmatar on and 70 amarr on and half of the amarr was Fate. Not gonna lie I thought it was funny and proceeded to kill anything that moved. Our goal was never to take control or be some grand stand for the ammarian empire for that is not the way of the potato or the fastest way to enjoy cream. We simply wanted to kill everything and in true pirate style (trigun is a pirate troll corp afterall) we decided to kill Anything that moved


so you joined a side in a war instead of being true pirates?

makes sense in a dumbsh*t propeller hat wearing sort of way i suppose


Maybe because they were in FW prior to Inferno? I'm not sure why people keep hating on Lost Obsession bros for not being this crazy savior that they never had any intention to be or stated they would be. Its like being mad at Nulli Secunda for not moving to FW permanently.

In all honesty, Lost Obsession helped a lot more than people are willing to give them credit for.

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Alaxander Row
Criterion.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#138 - 2012-08-20 09:00:42 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:


so you joined a side in a war instead of being true pirates?

makes sense in a dumbsh*t propeller hat wearing sort of way i suppose



And ? No gate guns allows us to fly smaller stuff and try something different but I do have to say I guess pirate is to strong of a word we are pvpers and hey what's wrong with trying something different
Dan Carter Murray
#139 - 2012-08-20 09:02:52 UTC
Pinky Feldman wrote:
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
Alaxander Row wrote:
Mentlegen I would like to put my 2 cents in here. As the hilarity continues and the swine continue to lay blameless and point at another like apes flinging there own excrement Fate may have left FW but we have far from left the area as those who must adapt to the times we have adapted our goals were never FW Control but PVP and FW gave US a means to reach our goals. Willing to work with those around us but hesitant of those who have proven their worth on the battlefield . We are still here adapting and having fun shooting things last night was funny when there were 200 minmatar on and 70 amarr on and half of the amarr was Fate. Not gonna lie I thought it was funny and proceeded to kill anything that moved. Our goal was never to take control or be some grand stand for the ammarian empire for that is not the way of the potato or the fastest way to enjoy cream. We simply wanted to kill everything and in true pirate style (trigun is a pirate troll corp afterall) we decided to kill Anything that moved


so you joined a side in a war instead of being true pirates?

makes sense in a dumbsh*t propeller hat wearing sort of way i suppose


Maybe because they were in FW prior to Inferno? I'm not sure why people keep hating on Lost Obsession bros for not being this crazy savior that they never had any intention to be or stated they would be. Its like being mad at Nulli Secunda for not moving to FW permanently.

In all honesty, Lost Obsession helped a lot more than people are willing to give them credit for.


he basically said they wanted to be pirates from the start, which is fine, but don't join FW if you want to be a true pirate...this is not to be confused with having lower than -5 sec status.

also, i don't think anyone expected lost obsession to be some sort of a savior...and anyone who did was probably some dumb@ass highschooler who listens to dubstep...

i do understand why people facepalm at the fact that they have big numbers and could theoretically do stuff, but won't undock unless caps are involved.

honestly i think they should move to nullsec and **** all over someone's cheerios there

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Markius TheShed
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#140 - 2012-08-20 09:19:34 UTC
David Devant wrote:
I'm going to make a controversial point because I think it might be constructive.

The Amarr militia has no good FCs. By that. I mean it has no one who will ball up 20 or so cross militia pilots and throw them around. Individual corps are happy to play, but no one will take a lead like Neph or BSC used to.

If TMFED pulled their fingers out *ahem* they would be more than capable of fulfilling this role, but it would probably require them flying ships like plain old bingers and canes to its a no go.

The Amarr militia needs some leadership. I hope it gets it soon...


Agony Unleashed was the only threat to us while we took Kamela over the weekend, And they were also dealing with being ganked by lost obsession on Kamela station.

I really hope they include the remaining Amarr in their fleets and keep bringing the fights.

Out with the old Amarr and in with the new Amarr please.

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