Warfare & Tactics

I guess if you want to be a cheerleader you can spin almost three months as "almost 4 months"

But I am hoping the pvp stays higher than it was before. CCP can still improve allot though. Plenty of nights with good pvp few and far between.

So - I have never been to the Minnie/Amarr front. Is it more big fleets there? What is the main difference?

I just have no idea how you guys have less pvp. It has exploded on our side.

Whilst I sympathise with your cause, I still wonder what happened to Amarr milita.

If your corp is the top killing corp for years, I wonder why the top non-NPC corp according to Amarr miltia KB stats would still be Absinthe Brothers (Consortium), who are dead for 1-2 years (Yeah - according to the list, ARETR would come out on top, but absinthe are on that list twice and just had to reform at some point for whatever reason, so their kills need to be added up).

When I pulled my alt out about 2-3 years ago, minmatar was getting faceraped on a daily basis despite having the bigger numbers, so WTF happned?

1) It's really obnoxious when people say "GG gunless plexing alts, you win". Ninlarra might have the clap, but he had a good point. It was the fighting alliances of MinMil (UK, EM, FeO, Defiant, LNA) that won the plexing war. We were the people taking frontline systems, defensive plexing, busting bunkers and "fighting the sov fight". The gunless plexing alts made an impact, sure, but they were only doing what they were doing due to the actual Min's hard work. You can call us worthless PvErs, but the fact is we wont the sov war due to our own tenacity, foresight and dedication.

2) The Amarr, especially towards the end, had the capability to turn the warzone around. You had massive number advantages in the USTZ in which you could have made progress in the sov war. It would have been hard, maybe slow, but it was certainly possible.

3) You guys just didn't want to win. W-BR has made that clear, a lot of Amarr groups have made that clear. You were happy to lose because you didn't want to put in the work to win the sov war. And you know what, that's fine. You just have to recognize that it was your own unwillingness to invest in the new system that resulted in such a lopsided warzone and ultimately our victory.

Does the Farmville aspect of FW suck? Yes. Who the **** doesn't complain about that? No one likes gunless merlin farmers from nullsec profiting off our hard work. There are some easy fixes CCP can implement that would probably fix this, and I hope they are planning to do so in the upcoming patch.

Has Inferno been better or worse for FW? Inferno is without a doubt a step in the right direction and arguably one of the best things to happen to FW in years. People complaining about this fictional "no PVP, only farm" are a) delusional and b) clearly can't remember the months prior to Inferno where there was maybe 1 or 2 actual skirmishes a WEEK. Now there are countless skirmishes in each timezone EVERY DAY. Total kill counts for FW have skyrocketed, and even if you factor that some of those are gunless farming alts, you're still seeing an increase in PvP by an absolutely staggering amount.

tl;dr - Amarr cry a lot, FW needs fixing and no one disagrees, Inferno has been the best thing for FW since sliced bread.

Wow so much **** swinging and QQing on both sides. "Its all your fault," "Not its your fault" "You suck" "No you suck" lol. Yes we lost systems, when you guys made the final push into kourm+Kam, lost obsession started camping the station and killing militia making it hard to form any defence. Prior to that we had some bs drama llamas between gank bears, fweddit and Fwort. Then Gank Bears and Fweddit left which didnt help anyone.

We just had a bad run with corps leaving and people shooting each other. Things will come around again it just requires patience. Like all things in EVE people start leaving and then more people start leaving. Numbers go from bad to worse but thats just how it is. It will turn around eventually, people will be wanting to fight greater numbers and join Amarr and those who stuck around will keep on fighting.

Im sticking around and I will continue to fight along with my mates and anyone else in the milita that is willing. but it will require coordination and time. Agony, if they bother to stay around will have to communicate with us.

Im keeping a positive outlook on it all and am looking forward to fighting the usual group we engage with across the weeks. FW has been the most fun Ive had in EVE in a long time and it will take more than loosing a few systems for me to quit this.

Are you denying that this war was "won" by t1 frigate farmers?

I wonder if ccp would publish some statistics on how many plexes were run in t1 frigates. What percent of plexes do you think it would be? What about just frigates including assault frigates? Some farmers have more skilled alts after all. What percent of majors do you think were run in battlecruisers? I mean if you are expecting a fight in a plex that allows battlecruisers and hacs you would likely want to be in a bc instead of a faction frigate right?

I'm thinking about 70% of plexes were run in frigates probably 70% of those frigates were t1 frigates.



I agree we could have hit tier 5. But a certain group in the amarr militia that happens to have allot of cap ships
decided they wanted out before then. I do think nulli left due to pvp reasons. And congratulated the minmatar on that.

But anyway you act like the war is over. Even if you gain all the systems and some of the new guys move out that doesn't mean the war is over.



I did want to win. I got an alt and started running plexes like crazy. But nulli pulled the plug.



I agree with this.




Until inferno no changes have happened to fw since sliced bread. So we can also say inferno was the worst expansion since sliced bread.

But again I am not against all the changes. Mainly just the station lockouts. The problem is really what they left broken. Plexing being a pve activity is the big problem. It always has been a big problem.

Yes there has been an increase in pvp. They basically made it about 4xs as profitable to be in fw. This lead to more people and more activity. Put more people in the same space you will get more explosions. However the increase in pvp is not because any of the changes actually promote pvp. Its just that there is allot more isk to be made and therefore allot more involvement.

Anyway I agree with you ccp did allot of good things. They shouldn't change what they have already improved but they still need to work on other areas.

I really loved that killboard but it is now not really used.

Plexes are great for getting pvp. But you still most effectively plex by avoiding pvp.

You skipped over one of the major points which is how does the loosing side keep fighting when their isk dries up?

Minmatar are sololy after protecting their valued systems, which is understandable - but an often side effect is having literaly an enire fleet (most notebly Stabber fleets, blackbirds) to fight one or two people, in simple - alot of minmatar militia are not interested in pvp, but are just interested in protecting their systems

Well, did you get more fight sup there pre inferno?

I think that there's a lot to be fixed in fw - balancing the rats for one. Plexing mechanics. Maybe CCP could even make WZ control levels go from tier 3 to tier 5 so the losing faction has more resources to keep fighting.

But, unlike the OP, I think inferno has been a net positive for FW, not a net negative.

The Amarr corps that left cashed out first..... So they definitely had the isk to continue to fight.