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New problem with the mining barge changes
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Kalen Pavle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-08-19 22:18:55 UTC
Mutant Caldari wrote:
Evil Cleaner wrote:
Korsiri wrote:
nah new players will just learn the same thing we did - go explore.

Find a system that's off the beaten path, less competition, less ganks, etc. Makes a good lesson for market applications as well.

Oh I agree with you completely on that point. But is a day 1 or even a day 10 new player ready to make that leap? Most likely they are not.

Since I have 3 areas covered one being close to jita and the others 2 nowhere near jita this is a problem.

I was in null sec within 10 days of starting yet these days newbies aren't ready to go into a high sec system below .8 after a day or 10? Jesus christ.


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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#42 - 2012-08-19 22:28:48 UTC
Evil Cleaner wrote:
So how many new players are told to go collect 25 m3 ore in their first few missions only to see empty ore belts?

My guess ? About none, give or take zilch. If you want to know for sure, create a fresh char (optionally on a new trial if you have no free slots) and see what the tutorial is like nowadays.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-08-19 22:55:11 UTC
So I made a noob and I'm too scared to undock. Where is my 'roids for my mining mission?

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Theangryhobo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2012-08-19 23:00:17 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
So I made a noob and I'm too scared to undock. Where is my 'roids for my mining mission?


I already mined every roid in every noob system. SORRY!

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Angelica Hybrith
Chamberlain Trade And Freight
#45 - 2012-08-19 23:37:37 UTC
Pure rubbish.

I mine through a 10 system run and every belt has plenty of roids, the only one that never has is THE noob system in my run, which is the same as it always has been.

I'd change region if I were you, might find that the ISK asking price is higher ;)
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#46 - 2012-08-19 23:41:39 UTC
There is a problem with your intelligence

Spaceprincess

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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-08-19 23:43:23 UTC
Evil Cleaner wrote:
close to jita


If you can't stand the heat.
Oraac Ensor
#48 - 2012-08-19 23:51:50 UTC
Evil Cleaner wrote:
So how many new players are told to go collect 25 m3 ore ( been 5 years since last I ran those missions) in their first few missions only to see empty ore belts?
I recently started a new Caldari character who is in the process of running the tutorials to get the freebie skills, ships etc. She got to the 'find a belt and mine some ore' mission and, yes, all the local belts in the newbie system were mined out - nothing new there. What did I do? I jumped into the next system (there's only one gate out of a tutorial system) and found acre upon acre of unmined asteroids with only a handful of miners in system.

Ffs! Where is the problem?


Hypercake Mix wrote:
I thought the mining tutorial gave you a warp point to a spawned rock O.o
Not in every case (see above).
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-08-19 23:59:19 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:


Just curious, but would you complain to your Mayor if there wasn't a McDonalds withing 2 blocks of your house?

Like I said, just curious... You must have a horribly rough life.


I think I might complain more that I didn't want a McDonald's within 2 blocks of my house. Horrible stuff, that.

And for the OP, yes, there is a lot of mining going on at the moment that will probably die down. I found someone cleaning out a whole pipeline of systems far from any hubs, but I just moved over a few systems.
Theangryhobo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2012-08-20 00:08:14 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
I jumped into the next system (there's only one gate out of a tutorial system) and found acre upon acre of unmined asteroids with only a handful of miners in system.


Wait. You mean other systems besides n00b systems have roids?

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#51 - 2012-08-20 02:14:35 UTC
Evil Cleaner wrote:
So how many new players are told to go collect 25 m3 ore ( been 5 years since last I ran those missions) in their first few missions only to see empty ore belts? That is the point im trying to make. If you enjoy this game then keeping new players is a step in keeping CCP's bank roll going.


edit.... Or perhaps you are a bunch of forum Trolls and could care less about the game.? Are you?


If that is an issue then CCP can modify the mission to put a couple asteroids in a mission room.

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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#52 - 2012-08-20 02:40:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Empire asteroids should stop respawning, or have their respawn rate vastly reduced.

Want fresh asteroids? Go blow up a planet and make some.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2012-08-20 05:19:14 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Empire asteroids should stop respawning, or have their respawn rate vastly reduced.

Want fresh asteroids? Go blow up a planet and make some.


Something like this would be a sweet feature.

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Herr Hammer Draken
#54 - 2012-08-20 05:24:35 UTC
Evil Cleaner wrote:
The problem is there isn't any asteroids left to go mining. Most .8 and above systems have 99% of their asteroids mined out within a few hours of server up. I have seen new players mining from 3 asteroids that were the only ones left in the system. Since the mining barge changes this is happening every day it seems. This could become a problem where new players might get discouraged and quit playing.

If I want to go mining in these systems I either have to run a lv 1 mission or scan down someone and run in with mining barge just to go mine some veld (in hopes of getting something much better of course). I guess you could say I am ninja mining but that isn't really doable for new players.

The only thing I can think is to ad some new type of roid that is really large and worth 1/4 that of veldspar. Dull veldspar maybe? Something keep new players happy that they are able to go out and do something other than run system to system looking for a lone rock worth maybe 100,000 isk.


As a side note I do mine in a .7 system regularly due to the fact that there is plenty of roids to be had. I just have mu home base 2 jumps away in a .9 system that is close to jita since I like to trade on the weekends.


First this is wrong. I have never seen a .8 system all mined out. I do not mine in .9 or above so I can not say about those..
But EVE was built upon laws of supply and demand. That much is working as intended. If all of those are mined out then go elsewhere. You first clue should be that area you are in is too crowded. Move. Or put up with it. Those are the choices EVE presents you with and working as intended.

Or you can attempt to gank all your competition or hire gankers to clean them out. This is EVE and you are in control of your game. CCP is not your go to for this. CCP has given you all the tools you need in game to solve your own problems.
Use them or suffer. The choice is yours.

Jita is your problem. It is way over crowded. Their are other places in EVE to trade. Jita is not the only place.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Frying Doom
#55 - 2012-08-20 05:38:51 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
Jita is your problem. It is way over crowded. Their are other places in EVE to trade. Jita is not the only place.

Lies all lies. Jita is a wonderful place never overcrowded and with lovely markets just waiting to take your orders or your goods.


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Always remember Jita for all your luxury needs, now open 23 1/2 hours a day Smile

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pussnheels
Viziam
#56 - 2012-08-20 06:33:09 UTC
Evil Cleaner wrote:
The problem is there isn't any asteroids left to go mining. Most .8 and above systems have 99% of their asteroids mined out within a few hours of server up.
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i underlined your problem
and people are suprised when they are called carebears , ...really shocking

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Herr Hammer Draken
#57 - 2012-08-20 06:40:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Hammer Draken
I think in fact that the only systems in ALL OF EVE that are mined out are those .8 or higher systems near Jita. The author of this thread wants everyone to believe that this is a major issue for EVE and CCP has to fix it when it is only local to the few systems around Jita. It happens there because of the crowds around Jita. If you want to live their you need to understand the unique problems that go with it. Over crowding.

Go anywhere else in EVE to the starter systems and plenty of roids exsist even in the 1.0 systems. This is ONLY a Jita issue.

Further some of the tutorial missions require a newbie to leave the 1.0 system in search of roids to mine other than veldspar to complete the tutorial. You can not complete all of the tutorials by mining only the roids in the 1.0 starter system. Or you have to buy the refined minerals off the market to complete some of the tutorials. CCP does not have to fix anything. All working as intended.

The only possible thing I can think off that maybe CCP might want to do for newbies is to place a warning in the charector generator about the over crowded conditions near Jita, place your new toon there at your own risk.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Boston Bradley
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-08-20 09:21:44 UTC
You can't be lazy and expect to just be given everything. Go LOOK for asteroids, go FIND your own belts, and STOP WHINING!
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2012-08-20 09:42:04 UTC
Evil Cleaner wrote:
So how many new players are told to go collect 25 m3 ore ( been 5 years since last I ran those missions) in their first few missions only to see empty ore belts?

hm.... interesting question.... Shocked

let me try: ask in Local chat/corp chat "hey, i'm new. where can i find 25 m3 of Veldspar?"
When i was newb people used chats to communicate and cooperate....

Evil Cleaner wrote:
edit.... Or perhaps you are a bunch of forum Trolls and could care less about the game.? Are you?

well Troll can't live without food. Don't feed him and he leaves you. Think about it Cool

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Frying Doom
#60 - 2012-08-20 10:46:17 UTC
That is why Trolls love whiners, It feeds the beasts.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!