EVE General Discussion

Which only means: don't cash out your LP yet. Look at the militia window from the view of either Amarr or Minmatar and you'll see that T5 is "whenever the Minmatar miltiia feels like it."

OP is correct.

One member of -A- multiboxes Minmatar farmers (least two of 'em) and a Daredevil main that patrols around and kills anyone who harasses them. The first time his Daredevil warped in, I warped out - then said, duh, I should've stayed and killed the Incursus with him, since it was tanking me completely. The second time he warped in, he attacked me, I said "just kill the carebear" in local, and then... it didn't seem that he did kill the Incursus. Huh. It must've gotten away. The third time he entered the system and warped directly to his alt that I had pointed, I'd connected the dots - but I was finally able to kill the damn thing with a neuting Tormentor before he killed me.

So there are many ways to work your Minmatar FW alts.

Tormentor: two neuts, 1 gatling laser, 2 hobgoblins, web. That's enough. Carebear FW Incursi won't be using cap charges, and they don't have guns, so you just need to break their capacitor to kill them.

So I need to join minnies and grind plexes?

For those that are unsure of what is happening here, read one of the out of game blogs. (my apologies if I get this wrong, but I think it was Jester's Trek)
It indicates that a 5 day alt in a weaponless frig can make the "equivalent" of 300M / hour in LP. Now, that LP is meaningless until cashed in, but the guy was indeed cashing it in making gobs and gobs of ISK when he sold items he bought with all that LP.
I think the example was Fleet Tempests.

The problem here is the inverse of Incursions. The current FW travesty may not be fixed for some time because it is only an ISK faucet to the holder of LP. It is actually a decent ISK sink overall in the game.

Because it merely (and I use that word very loosely) transferring ISK wealth from one player to another, CCP may not fix this for a long long time. Granted, they plugged the enormous hole the 5 guys from goons found, but that was an easy fix.
To solve the mess they have now with FW will take a lot more planning, and I just don't think it is a priority.

The real losers with the current FW mess are the people playing FW for the actual role-playing and PvP, and of course, any mission runners who factor in their LP when grinding. All this LP being generated is destroying quite a few faction item markets.

CCP has made it clear that they don't really care about FW (how long did it take for the 1st overhaul?), and their disdain of mission runners is well-documented, so I don't envisage changes for a long time, or until so many people are doing this that LP starts becoming totally meaningless.

When Fleet Stabbers start selling for their mineral costs, then you might see CCP react.

That was a good one

TLDR: EvE is quickly becoming a joke.


But with a new UI!

maybe you should learn to play before you give advice, you do not need any standing to join militia it has to be 0.0 or better.

Kamela when I left today, 35 minnies and 40ish amarr.

If you spent less time being lame and weepy on the forums and more time fighting, your situation wouldn't be so shocking.

Funny innit, when fweddit, nulli and WBR were all in amarr you had us badly outnumbered and we were still getting the better of you. But now your numerical advantage is gone ITS ALL HORRIBLY UNFAIR.

I suggest you stop being terrible and lrn2pvp