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Zander Miller
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2012-08-16 03:24:55 UTC
ISD/DEV/GM RESPONSES ONLY.

I don't care who you are, how knowledgable you are, or what your 'rep' is. I want OFFICIAL word from an EMPLOYEE of CCP itself, weather it be the volunteer ISD staff, a GM, or a CCP Employee personally.


Over the past few days, there have been a lot of 'finger pointing' at me telling me I will be banned for scamming and breaking the rules, mostly by poor miscreants in noob corp chat.

I want to know the EXACT rule regarding rule #4. My character has exactly (without pausing and updating to the second) 68,341,966 SP. Now, according to the rule's wording, I have to list it as a 68mil sp character. But wait, I'm currently training a rank 5 skill from 4 to 5. When it finishes, I will have just over 69mil SP. I have listed my character for sale as approximately (~) 70mil.

I clearly post the skillpoints in the thread, and post a link to the skillsheet which not only shows the exact sp, but the current skill in training.

I am not trying to pass this off as a 70mil sp character, nor am I trying to deceive anyone. To me (and any sane person) 68/69mil sp is close enough to 70mil that the few little numbers don't matter. I will have over 70mil sp before I even blink twice, so to speak.

Furthermore, I am selling the character for the skillset he possesses, not the points he has accumulated . Therefor, kind staff, is it within rules and regulations to list a character as approximately the nearest whole number, to a degree. I'm not saying people should be allowed to say their 12mil sp character is ~20mil, or their 6mil char is ~10mil. But for us older characters who have accumulated many skillpoints over the years, is it safe to say, per rules and regulations, that a 68,341,966 is ~70mil?

Furthermore, I cannot believe it has come down to this. I am not looking to be banned, nor am I looking to deceive or scam anyone. I am just looking for serious buyers who know what they want, and know that 1mil sp isn't going to change the value of the character in any way, shape, or form.
Achelois Theodorakis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2012-08-18 16:52:59 UTC
CCP please remove all unrelated comments off my thread. It's a WTA thread not a ill comment on whatever I want thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=145494
Zeyux
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2012-08-19 21:19:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeyux
I know i'll get flamed for this but its a reasonable question Do you have to posted a start bid and a buyout in your thread when selling a character? Or can you just say for example put 5B isk and see what happens? To my understanding if you offer that amount isnt that the buyout amount? or do you have to state a starting amount and a buyout to carify it? cheers

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=145293&find=unread

there is my example please carify
Ameyn Mimian
Doomheim
#144 - 2012-08-23 03:12:22 UTC
How long has #9 been a rule and why did it come about?

Having to drop my character to an NPC just to gauge interest for it makes no sense at all. What if I decide the offers aren't woth my time? Now I have to further muddle up the corp history, which effects sale value.
Lynn Liguria
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#145 - 2012-08-25 01:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lynn Liguria
Question:

I am trying to sell this character, can i have the buyer send the ISK to a separate account??? Also, i don't get the Catch 22, if this character is supposed to get the ISK, how can I sell it and get the ISK (out of this characters wallet) before the 10 hr wait period???

Thanks.

ReRead the Rules, NVM, and thank you Oops
Emadman
Masonic Guard
Evictus.
#146 - 2012-08-26 21:52:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Emadman
WANT TO BUY AMMENDMENT TO RULES !

Ok

Whilst we all the know the reasons for the rules, WHY MUST the character already be in an NPC corp, some of us will try and sell our characters whilst also not burning our current bridges

Take myself I listed a WTS whilst still in my current corp, and on the post it IS VERY clear that i would not accept any isk until i am in an NPC corp, also bearing in mind the mechanics of the character x-fer system where it WILL NOT let you transfer a chracter unless already in an npc corp

Whilst i would like to sell my toon, its not black and white in that i MUST sell my toon, the fact is if there are no takers on my WTS thread, then i would happily carry on doing what im doing, howver by leaving the corp i have burnt my bridges.

I dont see the need to have him/her already in an npc corp at time of listing, but FULLY agree with the mechanics of not being able to transfer unless in an npc.

Can this rule not be changed to make it easier for some of us who would like to see if selling our toons is a viable option maybe something along lines of

"no financial transaction to take place unless the toon is in an NPC corp" rather than

CCP Spitfire wrote:

  • The character being sold must be in an NPC corporation at the time of posting.


  • Or if this rule cannot be ammended can we GET clarification why this rule is so important when the mechanics WILL NOT allow transfer whilst still in a corp???


    Ameyn Mimian wrote:
    How long has #9 been a rule and why did it come about?

    Having to drop my character to an NPC just to gauge interest for it makes no sense at all. What if I decide the offers aren't woth my time? Now I have to further muddle up the corp history, which effects sale value.


    as you can see im not the only one who wants further information...

    The only people that would seem to gain from this would be character traders who dont play the characters they own. rather than the regular eve players who might/might not want to upgrade their toon to a betteer one if they can sell their current toon

    Also just had a look and at a rough guess i see in region of 50 locked threads over last few days just because they are not in npc corporation, and most (in region of 45) state they will be in npc within 24hours, this is in terms of use of time a complete was of ISD time and could surely be spent in better areas of eve (how about jita local locking all the bots/macroers from spamming scam contracts and nope i dont mean the regualr scams but the guys who seem to be able to spam for roughly 22 hours a day every day(not instead of regular players trying to sell toons)
    Kelilia
    Doomheim
    #147 - 2012-08-27 12:30:32 UTC
    Emadman wrote:
    WANT TO BUY AMMENDMENT TO RULES !

    Ok

    Whilst we all the know the reasons for the rules, WHY MUST the character already be in an NPC corp, some of us will try and sell our characters whilst also not burning our current bridges

    Take myself I listed a WTS whilst still in my current corp, and on the post it IS VERY clear that i would not accept any isk until i am in an NPC corp, also bearing in mind the mechanics of the character x-fer system where it WILL NOT let you transfer a chracter unless already in an npc corp

    Whilst i would like to sell my toon, its not black and white in that i MUST sell my toon, the fact is if there are no takers on my WTS thread, then i would happily carry on doing what im doing, howver by leaving the corp i have burnt my bridges.

    I dont see the need to have him/her already in an npc corp at time of listing, but FULLY agree with the mechanics of not being able to transfer unless in an npc.

    Can this rule not be changed to make it easier for some of us who would like to see if selling our toons is a viable option maybe something along lines of

    "no financial transaction to take place unless the toon is in an NPC corp" rather than

    CCP Spitfire wrote:

  • The character being sold must be in an NPC corporation at the time of posting.


  • Or if this rule cannot be ammended can we GET clarification why this rule is so important when the mechanics WILL NOT allow transfer whilst still in a corp???


    Ameyn Mimian wrote:
    How long has #9 been a rule and why did it come about?

    Having to drop my character to an NPC just to gauge interest for it makes no sense at all. What if I decide the offers aren't woth my time? Now I have to further muddle up the corp history, which effects sale value.


    as you can see im not the only one who wants further information...

    The only people that would seem to gain from this would be character traders who dont play the characters they own. rather than the regular eve players who might/might not want to upgrade their toon to a betteer one if they can sell their current toon

    Also just had a look and at a rough guess i see in region of 50 locked threads over last few days just because they are not in npc corporation, and most (in region of 45) state they will be in npc within 24hours, this is in terms of use of time a complete was of ISD time and could surely be spent in better areas of eve (how about jita local locking all the bots/macroers from spamming scam contracts and nope i dont mean the regualr scams but the guys who seem to be able to spam for roughly 22 hours a day every day(not instead of regular players trying to sell toons)




    I too agree with this 100%.
    From my point of view it does seem a silly rule (unless there is something quite obvious im missing here). I too have had characters in the past where i have had to 'burn bridges' and add lines to my employement history (i dont know about others but my OCD kicks in and i wont buy a toon with a long list of corps joined) just to gauge interest in my character for a possible upgrade.
    Would love also to get some clarification as to why this particular rule is in place and not something along the lines of "no financial transaction to take place unless the toon is in an NPC corp" like Emadman previously stated.
    ISD Stensson
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #148 - 2012-08-27 12:51:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Stensson
    Lynn Liguria wrote:
    Question:

    I am trying to sell this character, can i have the buyer send the ISK to a separate account??? Also, i don't get the Catch 22, if this character is supposed to get the ISK, how can I sell it and get the ISK (out of this characters wallet) before the 10 hr wait period???

    Thanks.

    ReRead the Rules, NVM, and thank you Oops

    Look. The character being sold have recieved ISKs. You are moving this ISKs next to another character and initializing character transfer.

    When 10-hours period is started you can not do anything with this character. But, as per rules, whenever a character is transferred before the seller has moved the ISK received from the sale to another one of their characters, the Customer Support team will return that ISK to the rightful owner. The buyer cannot expect to receive both the character and the ISK that they paid to purchase it.

    Was my answer useful? If no, feel free to ask additional questions. Sorry for long answering.

    [b]ISD Stensson Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]

    ISD Stensson
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #149 - 2012-08-27 13:53:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Stensson
    Zander Miller wrote:
    ISD/DEV/GM RESPONSES ONLY.

    I don't care who you are, how knowledgable you are, or what your 'rep' is. I want OFFICIAL word from an EMPLOYEE of CCP itself, weather it be the volunteer ISD staff, a GM, or a CCP Employee personally.


    Over the past few days, there have been a lot of 'finger pointing' at me telling me I will be banned for scamming and breaking the rules, mostly by poor miscreants in noob corp chat.

    I want to know the EXACT rule regarding rule #4. My character has exactly (without pausing and updating to the second) 68,341,966 SP. Now, according to the rule's wording, I have to list it as a 68mil sp character. But wait, I'm currently training a rank 5 skill from 4 to 5. When it finishes, I will have just over 69mil SP. I have listed my character for sale as approximately (~) 70mil.

    I clearly post the skillpoints in the thread, and post a link to the skillsheet which not only shows the exact sp, but the current skill in training.

    I am not trying to pass this off as a 70mil sp character, nor am I trying to deceive anyone. To me (and any sane person) 68/69mil sp is close enough to 70mil that the few little numbers don't matter. I will have over 70mil sp before I even blink twice, so to speak.

    Furthermore, I am selling the character for the skillset he possesses, not the points he has accumulated . Therefor, kind staff, is it within rules and regulations to list a character as approximately the nearest whole number, to a degree. I'm not saying people should be allowed to say their 12mil sp character is ~20mil, or their 6mil char is ~10mil. But for us older characters who have accumulated many skillpoints over the years, is it safe to say, per rules and regulations, that a 68,341,966 is ~70mil?

    Furthermore, I cannot believe it has come down to this. I am not looking to be banned, nor am I looking to deceive or scam anyone. I am just looking for serious buyers who know what they want, and know that 1mil sp isn't going to change the value of the character in any way, shape, or form.

    Firstly, if you believe that other players have been 'finger pointing' at you in your thread, you should report their posts to us by using the Report This Post tool. This kind of posting is nothing more than an attempt at derailing the thread. Other players may post bids or questions regarding the character being sold — and nothing else. No criticizing the layout that you use for your character description, no ROFLing at your price, only bids or questions. If they see any rules being violated, they must use the same tool as well without posting any comments to your thread.

    In short, if they are making off-topic posts instead of reporting rule violations directly to us, they are violating the rules of this section as well. Do not hesistate to report these cases to CCL and CCP Community Team.

    As to the rounding of numbers, why would you want to complicate matters by failing to list the exact amount of SPs that your character has? Best case scenario, you will have to do some explaining, worst case scenario, a buyer will report you for scamming; any illusory advantage gained by rounding SPs up is pretty much nullified by additional complexities involved. Rule #4 exists for a very good reason, so we would like you to observe it as it is.

    [b]ISD Stensson Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]

    Emadman
    Masonic Guard
    Evictus.
    #150 - 2012-08-27 15:27:08 UTC
    ISD Stensson Can you provide a response to my post please, or if not can you pass it onto a Dev to provide reasoning and/or clarifaction of the rule

    many thanks
    Lynn Liguria
    Native Freshfood
    Minmatar Republic
    #151 - 2012-08-27 16:57:12 UTC
    ISD Stensson wrote:
    Lynn Liguria wrote:
    Question:

    I am trying to sell this character, can i have the buyer send the ISK to a separate account??? Also, i don't get the Catch 22, if this character is supposed to get the ISK, how can I sell it and get the ISK (out of this characters wallet) before the 10 hr wait period???

    Thanks.

    ReRead the Rules, NVM, and thank you Oops

    Look. The character being sold have recieved ISKs. You are moving this ISKs next to another character and initializing character transfer.

    When 10-hours period is started you can not do anything with this character. But, as per rules, whenever a character is transferred before the seller has moved the ISK received from the sale to another one of their characters, the Customer Support team will return that ISK to the rightful owner. The buyer cannot expect to receive both the character and the ISK that they paid to purchase it.

    Was my answer useful? If no, feel free to ask additional questions. Sorry for long answering.


    Yes, and thanks ISD Stennson
    ISD Stensson
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #152 - 2012-08-27 17:42:38 UTC
    Emadman wrote:
    WANT TO BUY AMMENDMENT TO RULES !

    Ok

    Whilst we all the know the reasons for the rules, WHY MUST the character already be in an NPC corp, some of us will try and sell our characters whilst also not burning our current bridges

    Take myself I listed a WTS whilst still in my current corp, and on the post it IS VERY clear that i would not accept any isk until i am in an NPC corp, also bearing in mind the mechanics of the character x-fer system where it WILL NOT let you transfer a chracter unless already in an npc corp

    Whilst i would like to sell my toon, its not black and white in that i MUST sell my toon, the fact is if there are no takers on my WTS thread, then i would happily carry on doing what im doing, howver by leaving the corp i have burnt my bridges.

    I dont see the need to have him/her already in an npc corp at time of listing, but FULLY agree with the mechanics of not being able to transfer unless in an npc.

    Can this rule not be changed to make it easier for some of us who would like to see if selling our toons is a viable option maybe something along lines of

    "no financial transaction to take place unless the toon is in an NPC corp" rather than

    CCP Spitfire wrote:

  • The character being sold must be in an NPC corporation at the time of posting.


  • Or if this rule cannot be ammended can we GET clarification why this rule is so important when the mechanics WILL NOT allow transfer whilst still in a corp???


    Ameyn Mimian wrote:
    How long has #9 been a rule and why did it come about?

    Having to drop my character to an NPC just to gauge interest for it makes no sense at all. What if I decide the offers aren't woth my time? Now I have to further muddle up the corp history, which effects sale value.


    as you can see im not the only one who wants further information...

    The only people that would seem to gain from this would be character traders who dont play the characters they own. rather than the regular eve players who might/might not want to upgrade their toon to a betteer one if they can sell their current toon

    Also just had a look and at a rough guess i see in region of 50 locked threads over last few days just because they are not in npc corporation, and most (in region of 45) state they will be in npc within 24hours, this is in terms of use of time a complete was of ISD time and could surely be spent in better areas of eve (how about jita local locking all the bots/macroers from spamming scam contracts and nope i dont mean the regualr scams but the guys who seem to be able to spam for roughly 22 hours a day every day(not instead of regular players trying to sell toons)

    The character transfering system will not let you transfer the character until you are in an NPC corporation. Yes. But you probably didn't think anything about the buyer. He expects to wait only 10 hours before recieving the character. He is expecting no additional 24 hours of waiting (while the seller drops his roles and is passing to the NPC corporation). When it happens he starts to be nervous, he writes petition on you about possible scam, he derails your thread with blaming and abusing. And so on. As a result, your inflexible will to save the bridges (for 1-2 additional days) throws additional work and additional nervous for you, for buyer, for moderators, and for Support Team.

    The bargain with the seller who is in a player owned corporation in many cases throws additional time while the buyer must wait. Sellers may writes any remarks about dropped corporation roles in their threads, but this kind of deals in many cases throws additional time while the buyer must wait (because seller's corp roles was not dropped, in spite of their remarks).

    In order to avoid this kind of situations: The character being sold must be in an NPC corporation at the time of posting. Every bargain must be complete after 10-hours delay (not after 10+24 hours of delaying).

    (Please do not take this post as a message that is personalised to you. It is only my manner of speaking.)

    [b]ISD Stensson Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]

    Emadman
    Masonic Guard
    Evictus.
    #153 - 2012-08-27 18:54:14 UTC
    ISD Stensson wrote:

    The character transfering system will not let you transfer the character until you are in an NPC corporation. Yes. But you probably didn't think anything about the buyer. He expects to wait only 10 hours before recieving the character. He is expecting no additional 24 hours of waiting (while the seller drops his roles and is passing to the NPC corporation). When it happens he starts to be nervous, he writes petition on you about possible scam, he derails your thread with blaming and abusing. And so on. As a result, your inflexible will to save the bridges (for 1-2 additional days) throws additional work and additional nervous for you, for buyer, for moderators, and for Support Team.

    The bargain with the seller who is in a player owned corporation in many cases throws additional time while the buyer must wait. Sellers may writes any remarks about dropped corporation roles in their threads, but this kind of deals in many cases throws additional time while the buyer must wait (because seller's corp roles was not dropped, in spite of their remarks).

    In order to avoid this kind of situations: The character being sold must be in an NPC corporation at the time of posting. Every bargain must be complete after 10-hours delay (not after 10+24 hours of delaying).

    (Please do not take this post as a message that is personalised to you. It is only my manner of speaking.)



    THanks for the response :), but, whilst i do agree with the extra waiting, i still dont see why it is such a problem (ie having posts blocked/locked etc) if as long as the buyer is aware that the toon is still in a corp at time of bidding and thus will take the 24hours before he has left corp
    Obviously if like my situation and on my own post i put in that i wsa still in corp and the roles would be dropped at time of acceptable bid and even then i would not accept payment until im in NPC i dont understand how this is such a problem, and to be honest has only been a lockable offense over the recent history

    I have bought and sold many many toons (and nope im not trader just like different/new toons every 6motnhs or so) and not once in the situation as with this guy has it been a problem for the buyer (or even myself as seller)

    Can this rule not be modified to at least something like i suggested where no isk should be transferred until in npc corp, but listing can at least start whilst in a player corp
    Ameyn Mimian
    Doomheim
    #154 - 2012-08-29 07:57:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ameyn Mimian
    ISD Stensson wrote:

    The character transfering system will not let you transfer the character until you are in an NPC corporation. Yes. But you probably didn't think anything about the buyer. He expects to wait only 10 hours before recieving the character. He is expecting no additional 24 hours of waiting (while the seller drops his roles and is passing to the NPC corporation). When it happens he starts to be nervous, he writes petition on you about possible scam, he derails your thread with blaming and abusing. And so on. As a result, your inflexible will to save the bridges (for 1-2 additional days) throws additional work and additional nervous for you, for buyer, for moderators, and for Support Team.

    The bargain with the seller who is in a player owned corporation in many cases throws additional time while the buyer must wait. Sellers may writes any remarks about dropped corporation roles in their threads, but this kind of deals in many cases throws additional time while the buyer must wait (because seller's corp roles was not dropped, in spite of their remarks).

    In order to avoid this kind of situations: The character being sold must be in an NPC corporation at the time of posting. Every bargain must be complete after 10-hours delay (not after 10+24 hours of delaying).

    (Please do not take this post as a message that is personalised to you. It is only my manner of speaking.)


    This change is incredibly short sighted. It would be much simpler to require the poster to specify when the character can be transferred. At the most, require posters to have dropped roles so that they can leave corp instantly, whenever an agreement is reached. Anything but requiring somebody to leave their corporation until they are sure a sale can be made.

    I'm sorry that GMs, mods, and other folks are inconvenienced by this, but don't push that inconvenience onto everybody.
    Yuzi Shoei
    Science and Trade Institute
    Caldari State
    #155 - 2012-08-29 21:33:42 UTC
    Can i change the Name of the Toon?
    Can i resculp a Toon after i bought me one?
    Can i change gender?
    Emadman
    Masonic Guard
    Evictus.
    #156 - 2012-08-29 21:56:10 UTC
    Yuzi Shoei wrote:
    Can i change the Name of the Toon?
    Can i resculp a Toon after i bought me one?
    Can i change gender?


    No
    Yes (in most cases)
    No
    Aneut
    Seven Cities of Gold
    #157 - 2012-09-01 00:26:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Aneut
    Issue Solved - Thanks ISD/DEV/CCP :)
    Aneut
    Seven Cities of Gold
    #158 - 2012-09-01 03:20:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Aneut
    Issue Solved - Thanks ISD/DEV/CCP :)
    Trit
    Constructive Influence
    Brothers of Tangra
    #159 - 2012-09-04 02:50:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Stensson
    Edit: The critique is very good but it must be written in respectful and constructive manner, without insulting other players, ISD members, and CCP company — ISD Stensson

    Shine on Crazy Nubbins

    Ana K
    Titans Mining Industries
    #160 - 2012-09-05 15:27:30 UTC
    Some questions:

    I will be selling this character soon, but I don't want my main on this account disclosed. When I receive the ISK for this character's sale, I will need to transfer the ISK to my main, and then initiate character transfer. Will that ISK transfer to my main show up in the Journal of this character after this character is in the possession of its new owner? Will past ISK transfers to my main, and all other ISK activity, also show up in the Journal? Or will Journal and Wallet transactions be wiped at the time of transfer?

    Also, how does one use two PLEX's to pay the transfer fee? Do I buy them in-game and do something to them in-game related to character transfer fee? A quick step by step list would be appreciated.

    Thanks!