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problem with recent post about afk complexs
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Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#21 - 2012-08-17 11:22:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
*To, not too.

E:

You need to be more subtle about inserting the nerf-cloaking whinge, as well:

It has become far too common of late for anything else to work.

1/10.

Next!

Ni.
whyohwhy1
whyohwhy1 Corporation
#22 - 2012-08-17 11:44:25 UTC  |  Edited by: whyohwhy1
Dorian Wylde wrote:
It's not griefing because they're not doing anything. It's not CCP's fault that you believe 1 red name in local means you can't undock or leave the force field.



its not even that i enjoy 1v1 and i like pvp no my system not been camp i just thought i would bring it up as recently with post by that ccp person and the fact of afk complex and who afk was not in ment too be allow but cloaky camper is fine it the fact that it has no risky too it you are powerless too it.

people complain titan tracking was too much yet you could use 100nm Tenggu and live but the tracking still got nerfed, while cloaking you have no chance too counter.

and no one can say that something within an game which has no counter is good for an any game
Via Shivon
#23 - 2012-08-17 11:47:59 UTC
1/10

but true...cloaking (zero cots of energy, fuel ...) system in eve is a joke - The Ninjas of EvE Pirate
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#24 - 2012-08-17 11:53:09 UTC
whyohwhy1 wrote:
I agree that people shouldn't be able too afk complexs and so does ccp but for ccp too take an single stance on this type of afk is stupid when i could argue that afk cloaky **** who sit 23/7 in an system ( form of grief against person/corp/allaince) prevent isk from been made in that system so how come the new rules don't affect them. (cloaky and covert ops cloaking is in game but so is sentry drone attack while person is afk) I cann't find the post about punishment about doing the afk complex but if someone been afk cloaky in your system for days should this not be an punishable affect them.
CCp can go about it fix complex afk's make them hard/ like several people have suggest random gate spawn too an room with officer spawn/loot which only last an couple of mins then despawn and make the spawning that and i know people are going too say about this idea make it that the spawn are trigger by you killing an bunker but the next bunker not Avaible too be shoot until the next waves are killed. ( prevent what the drone region use too do warp in pop bunker kill bs and warp off)


You sir, are failing at Eve if you cannot get your nullbear PvE on while someone is cloaking AFK in your system. Are you even able to tell if he is cloaked, or is he just off d-scan in your system? How do you know he is AFK?

It takes 0 skill to be aligned to a warpout and kill your rats. You just have to be at the keyboard and ready to act in case your AFK guy isn't really AFK. In which case, he *isn't* causing an AFK menace afterall is he? He is actively hunting you.

To summarize:

- If he is AFK, he is not a threat, go rat.
- If is is not AFK, then he isn't "exploiting" anything by being an AFK threat is he?
- Also, you fail at nullsec PvE.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Rengerel en Distel
#25 - 2012-08-17 12:32:03 UTC
When you actively start earning isk just by being in someone elses SOV, then perhaps they will do something about it. If you want to get over your fear of unknown people in local, move up to highsec, where everyone else is an unknown and might be out to get you.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#26 - 2012-08-17 12:32:55 UTC
Roime wrote:
whyohwhy1 wrote:
BUNKER NOT AVAIBLE TOO BE SHOOT LIKE SEVERAL PEOPLE GRIF111!!11MAKE THE SPAWNING CCP CAN GO OVERT OPS CLOAKING IS IN GAME BUT SO IS SENTRY DRONE ATTACK WHILE PERSON IS AFK) I CANN'T FIND THE POST ABOUT PUNISHMENT ABOUT DOING THE AFK COMPLEX BUT IF SOMEONE BEEN AFK CLOAKY THIS IDEA MAKE IT THAT THE SPAWN ARE TRIGGER OF MINS THEN DESPAWN UNTIL THE NEXT WAVES ARE KILLED. ( PREVENT WHAT THE DRONE REGION USE TOO DO WARP IN POP BUNKER KILL BS GRIF111!!11WARP OFF) I AGREE THAT PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TOO PREVENT ISK FROM BEEN MADE IN AFK COMPLEXS GRIF111!!11SO DOES CCP BUT GREIFER?111!! CCP TOO TAKE AN SINGLE STANCE ON THIS TYPE OF AFK IS STUPID WHEN I COULD ARGUE THAT AFK CLOAKY **** BY YOU KILLING AN BUNKER BUT THE NEXT WHO SIT 23/7 IN AN SYSTEM ( GREIFER?111!!M OF GRIEF AGAINST PERSON/CORP/ALLAINCE) THAT GRIF111!!11I KNOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TOO SAY ABOUT ABOUT IT FIX COMPLEX AFK'S MAKE THEM HARD/ THAT SYSTEM SO HOW COME THE NEW RULES DON'T AFFECT THEM. (CLOAKY GRIF111!!11 IN YOUR SYSTEM GREIFER?111!! DAYS SHOULD THIS NOT BE AN PUNISHABLE AFFECT THEM. HAVE SUGGEST RANDOM GATE SPAWN TOO AN ROOM WITH OFFICER SPAWN/LOOT WHICH ONLY LAST AN COUPLE


AFK cloak whiners aka botters, sodomizing language since 2003.


GTFO out of my language.

I'm going AFK for a bit, brb

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-08-17 12:55:28 UTC
whyohwhy1 wrote:
Dorian Wylde wrote:
It's not griefing because they're not doing anything. It's not CCP's fault that you believe 1 red name in local means you can't undock or leave the force field.



its not even that i enjoy 1v1 and i like pvp no my system not been camp i just thought i would bring it up as recently with post by that ccp person and the fact of afk complex and who afk was not in ment too be allow but cloaky camper is fine it the fact that it has no risky too it you are powerless too it.

people complain titan tracking was too much yet you could use 100nm Tenggu and live but the tracking still got nerfed, while cloaking you have no chance too counter.

and no one can say that something within an game which has no counter is good for an any game



AFK cloaking is its own counter. Because they are AFK. They cannot hurt you if they are not at their computer. It's up to you to decide if they're actually at the computer or not, that's the risk you take by being outside of empire. It's up to you to have friends online to guard you while you mine, or rat in a pve fit, or do whatever it is you think you can't do when there's one red in local.
Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-08-17 13:16:06 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Kryss Darkdust wrote:
I don't understand why any sort of AFK acitvty is allowed. If your idle for 15 minutes the server should just kick you out.


If you cant work out why this would not be a solution, then there is not much hope.

As for the OP.... you need to think about the difference between someone doing SOMETHING while AFK, and someone doing NOTHING while AFK.


NO! If I can't see him he must be AFK and cloaked ! That's the only explanation! Shut up! /sarcasm

I'm just waiting for the day someone claims AFK cloaking is literally the Great Mustache Fascist unironically.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#29 - 2012-08-17 14:14:10 UTC
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:

NO! If I can't see him he must be AFK and cloaked ! That's the only explanation! Shut up! /sarcasm



Big smile

I am utterly convinced that all these people posting about the terrible AFK Cloakers and how it is killing Eve, are truly out to nerf all cloakers, AFK and Active.

All their suggested 'fixes' are such a nerf to cloaking that it would simply remove cloaks from the game.
But dare you suggest they bait or fly in groups, or suggest removing cloakers from local and they go mad.

Simply put: Lazy Nullbears are Lazy.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#30 - 2012-08-17 14:40:48 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Kryss Darkdust wrote:
I don't understand why any sort of AFK acitvty is allowed. If your idle for 15 minutes the server should just kick you out.


If you cant work out why this would not be a solution, then there is not much hope.

As for the OP.... you need to think about the difference between someone doing SOMETHING while AFK, and someone doing NOTHING while AFK.



Also add to that. The possibility that the OP (if a null bear) has a "cloaky" sitting on each of the gates.
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