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Copy Slots - MORE

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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#1 - 2012-08-15 18:35:54 UTC
We need more NPC copy slots (and a hard limit on the use of them) or something...

There is something wrong when you have no copy slots avaliable in a whole region for NPC stations, and no PE and ME but every invention slot is empty and most manufacturing open...

1. how are you supposed to use the invention slots when it takes weeks to get an open slot if you are lucky enough to hit one the second someone delivers a job.... sheesh.

2. this is a real bottle-neck to starting industrial players that they can't copy - I can live with the limited PE and ME... but COPY??? 10 slots per station???? how about 100...and a hard limit on the use at per station or something to make sure they are avaliable... and no POS doesn't help with start-up players.... so don't say...Dude setup a POS...most of the moons in HS are already taken anyway.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2012-08-15 18:41:10 UTC
Option 1. You know you can queue jobs, even if the slot is full, right?
Option 2. Buy BPC from contracts.
Option 3. Setup you own POS.
Option 4. Have someone make copies for you.
Option 5. Join a research alliance and rent their labs.
Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-08-15 18:42:44 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
We need more NPC copy slots (and a hard limit on the use of them) or something...

There is something wrong when you have no copy slots avaliable in a whole region for NPC stations, and no PE and ME but every invention slot is empty and most manufacturing open...

1. how are you supposed to use the invention slots when it takes weeks to get an open slot if you are lucky enough to hit one the second someone delivers a job.... sheesh.

2. this is a real bottle-neck to starting industrial players that they can't copy - I can live with the limited PE and ME... but COPY??? 10 slots per station???? how about 100...and a hard limit on the use at per station or something to make sure they are avaliable... and no POS doesn't help with start-up players.... so don't say...Dude setup a POS...most of the moons in HS are already taken anyway.


Get a POS setup, buy them, use low sec copy slots, or move to a region with less activity, move to null and use alliance slots, or train up you 2 extra characters on your accounts for research and have 18 more copy slots.

Yeah it sucks having to wait 8 days for a 1 day copy job but thats the way it is. Adding more slots just means they will get filled just as fast and will yield no extra results. CCP would literally have to add 100X more slots which would just be an awful idea.

There is no reason for CCP to change game mechanics when so many other options are available to you. Everyone else is able to deal with the long wait times, so you can to.
Ginger Barbarella
#4 - 2012-08-15 18:43:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Option 1. You know you can queue jobs, even if the slot is full, right?
Option 2. Buy BPC from contracts.
Option 3. Setup you own POS.
Option 4. Have someone make copies for you.
Option 5. Join a research alliance and rent their labs.


This. This *10. I chatted with an "experience" researcher a few months back who was stunned and shocked that you could stack jobs in slots. *sigh*

Edit: oh, and go to a station in low with available slots. Easy. Low sec != gauntlet.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#5 - 2012-08-15 19:30:30 UTC
Low sec research stations are the way to go if you don't have access to POS labs. In a shuttle, you are REALLY difficult to catch.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

JonnyRandom
#6 - 2012-08-15 19:34:11 UTC
You can... queue up... for slots?
Are
you
freaking
kidding
me??
Why isn't this informed ANYWHERE on the UI or even suggested through design that this is possible?
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#7 - 2012-08-15 20:10:40 UTC
yes I know you can queue them - I did - it seems a bit of a wait of 8 days just to get 10 copies of mining crystals to use in invention... *sigh*

It would be nice if they simply added even 10 more say 20 per station - a little easing of the time for BPCs would help... since BPOs are for sale - we should be able to use them...

I am in a very desolate part of HS, and three stations here with S&I, so it's not like it's an issue, the rest of the slots are pretty easy to accesss or free all the time... but copy seems to be under-represented.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2012-08-15 20:21:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Also ...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1798288#post1798288

And there are other people that offer free research services. Check the Sell Orders forum for [SERVICE]

EDIT: before I had a POS, I'd queue, or take a trip to Curse in a Covert Ops. Curse had lots of open slots, but the trip could be hazardous.
TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-08-16 07:30:56 UTC
JonnyRandom wrote:
You can... queue up... for slots?
Are
you
freaking
kidding
me??
Why isn't this informed ANYWHERE on the UI or even suggested through design that this is possible?


Pretty sure this stuff is covered in the starter tutorials..

...

Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
#10 - 2012-08-16 08:46:52 UTC
Also setting up POS is not problematic - buy a premade corp (look in Sell forums), set small POS in 0.7 space (many moons in 0.7 are free even close to Jita), make as many copies as you want. Upkeep is only like 100m/month, if you can't afford that much you are doing something wrong with manufacturing.

Alternatively just queue them - 8 days is actually a short time to wait.
JonnyRandom
#11 - 2012-08-16 13:06:11 UTC
TheSkeptic wrote:
JonnyRandom wrote:
You can... queue up... for slots?
Are
you
freaking
kidding
me??
Why isn't this informed ANYWHERE on the UI or even suggested through design that this is possible?


Pretty sure this stuff is covered in the starter tutorials..


Really? Well haha that's good for new players then :D Back when I started I don't think there was even a tutorial for industry Lol
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-08-16 13:26:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Option 1. You know you can queue jobs, even if the slot is full, right?
Option 2. Buy BPC from contracts.
Option 3. Setup you own POS.
Option 4. Have someone make copies for you.
Option 5. Join a research alliance and rent their labs.


This. This *10. I chatted with an "experience" researcher a few months back who was stunned and shocked that you could stack jobs in slots. *sigh*

Edit: oh, and go to a station in low with available slots. Easy. Low sec != gauntlet.



Very much this, if something about NPC industry slots those should get a huge nerf stick, it's a player created content, so player owned stations dedicated and upraded for this purpose should be the best and profitable way to go, not the silly other way around it is now.

brb

Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#13 - 2012-08-16 14:24:22 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Option 1. You know you can queue jobs, even if the slot is full, right?
Option 2. Buy BPC from contracts.
Option 3. Setup you own POS.
Option 4. Have someone make copies for you.
Option 5. Join a research alliance and rent their labs.


This. This *10. I chatted with an "experience" researcher a few months back who was stunned and shocked that you could stack jobs in slots. *sigh*

Edit: oh, and go to a station in low with available slots. Easy. Low sec != gauntlet.



Very much this, if something about NPC industry slots those should get a huge nerf stick, it's a player created content, so player owned stations dedicated and upraded for this purpose should be the best and profitable way to go, not the silly other way around it is now.


YEA... NPC stations being 1/2 as efficient as POS slots should def be removed from game that 50% as effective is just crapping up industry... sorry, not everyone wants to setup a corp just to setup a POS just to make a few copies of T1 BPOs.... no more than you want to setup a corp in real life, build a nuclear power plant and run the lines just to run your computer for a word document.
Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
#14 - 2012-08-16 16:09:08 UTC
If it's only a few copies then you don't need a POS and you can wait the queue time for one to become available in high sec. If you're extremely antsy then use the services provided by other players.
Ginger Barbarella
#15 - 2012-08-16 17:32:15 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
YEA... NPC stations being 1/2 as efficient as POS slots should def be removed from game that 50% as effective is just crapping up industry... sorry, not everyone wants to setup a corp just to setup a POS just to make a few copies of T1 BPOs.... no more than you want to setup a corp in real life, build a nuclear power plant and run the lines just to run your computer for a word document.



OK, so hang on a second. You first complain that there aren't enough NPC slots, so they should be increased. Then you are complaining that they're inefficient compared to a POS. In the same breath you say you don't want to set up a POS. I'm confused here... Do you want a metric crap ton of NPC slots that have the same bonus/efficiency as labs that people have gone to extensive expense and effort to install and maintain?

So, basically, you want an EASY BUTTON?

Ignoring the fact that this is a whine thread where OP has no intention to do what it takes to make HIS operation more effective, there are only a couple solutions to what is being complained about: 1) get to low to use empty copy slots so you don't have to wait, or b) put up your own POS. If neither of those are an option for you then you clearly need to find something else to do in Eve.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Jason Xado
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-08-16 22:56:40 UTC
In my humble opinion, the best solution to this problem would be to remove NPC stations altogether.

All content should be player created.
Stigman Zuwadza
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-08-16 23:13:49 UTC
I do all my copying in lowsec, and when I find an empty slot or 2 I go copy crazy. Big smile

I just wish they'd change the volume on the data sheets from 1 m3 to 0.01 m3, it is only a sheet of paper afterall. Straight

Fly safe. o7

It's broken and it's been broken for a long time and it'll be broken for some time to come.

JonnyRandom
#18 - 2012-08-17 01:19:57 UTC
Stigman Zuwadza wrote:


I just wish they'd change the volume on the data sheets from 1 m3 to 0.01 m3, it is only a sheet of paper afterall. Straight



Have you seen the size of real life blueprints for large scale industrial projects? They can very well be a cubic meter in volume.
Potittious
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-08-17 05:09:44 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Low sec research stations are the way to go if you don't have access to POS labs. In a shuttle, you are REALLY difficult to catch.

its been awhile since i did a full canvass of all low sec stations, but every region i've been in recently has had full slots in their low sec systems.
Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#20 - 2012-08-17 06:17:15 UTC
Jason Xado wrote:
In my humble opinion, the best solution to this problem would be to remove NPC stations altogether.

All content should be player created.


This idea has potential!

Arrow Remove all but 1 npc station per system. (this station should have an increased price for services, and also mission agents and such would reside here.)

Arrow 10 stations per system / 1 per corp/alliance

Arrow Everybody should be able to dock and use the station facilities in high and lowsec.

Arrow Station manager sets prices, this will cause some competition between station owners.

Arrow Stations should be conquerable, but only if a wardec is in place. (offenders would not be able to dock up in this station as long as the wardec lasts. Lowsec stations, shoudl require a wardec also, so no just shooting it. This would also make wardecs worth it imo)

I believe this will create a load of content and fun for all players.
Obviously its still rough around the edges but i for one would really love for this to happen.
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