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Cpt Greywolf
Wolves and Knights
#61 - 2012-08-06 18:42:40 UTC
I rat in a Thanny everage 28-30m bounty ticks so up to 90m an hr
My buddy rats in a mach and pulse 40m ticks so 120m an hr for him
Razor Rocker
Super Mother Fan Club
#62 - 2012-08-06 19:01:25 UTC
Cpt Greywolf wrote:
I rat in a Thanny everage 28-30m bounty ticks so up to 90m an hr
My buddy rats in a mach and pulse 40m ticks so 120m an hr for him



mind asking your buddy to mail me his fit? or can you post it here?


Overall I'm just really finding it hard to believe a carrier can do more than 35-40m a tick, while I know of at least a few supcap setups that can do it.

Does anyone rat in a nyx? How much do you make a tick in one of them?
Flakey Foont
#63 - 2012-08-06 20:05:25 UTC
Golly where do you fly that sweet Nightmare?
Lady Aja
#64 - 2012-08-07 03:46:38 UTC
Loko Morice wrote:
Vindicators can get 35m ticks in forsaken hubs, seems similar to your nightmare. I don't think you're going to see ticks much better than yours or that on a *single* ship, unless you assign fighters.



my mach gets upto 40m a tick in forsaken hubs. but averages 35m only tiem it peaks at 40m is when i get a decent domination spawn.
where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!!
BlackPyroStorm
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-08-07 21:08:20 UTC
Gary Bell wrote:
if you run a ship scan for anamolies then run them. With out a probe launcher to refresh your scan, you would need to dock to clear your scan, otherwise you will see the same sigs you have already run over and over. IE fit a probe launcher in your last high. Unless im so newb and there is a trick to this i dont know yet.?


On the system scan results page just right click the anomoly that is completed and click ignore result.. problem solved. And usually new sites spawn after i think ~6min
Razor Rocker
Super Mother Fan Club
#66 - 2012-08-08 00:39:04 UTC
Lady Aja wrote:
Loko Morice wrote:
Vindicators can get 35m ticks in forsaken hubs, seems similar to your nightmare. I don't think you're going to see ticks much better than yours or that on a *single* ship, unless you assign fighters.



my mach gets upto 40m a tick in forsaken hubs. but averages 35m only tiem it peaks at 40m is when i get a decent domination spawn.




link your mach fit?
Stetson Eagle
Paird Technology
#67 - 2012-08-08 19:37:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Stetson Eagle
Thanatos (or any carrier, adjust accordingly):

5-6 drone damage amps
3 omni tracklinks
4-5 drone control units

(1 drone link augmentor vs. angels)
3 drone control range augmentor

2 sensor booster / scanres
(1 capital armor repairer vs. serpentis or gurista)


Rough numbers, no ammo cost:

1300 dps bouncers at 100km optimal, warp in at 100, sanctums or forsaken hubs 120-140M / hour
1200 dps curators at 90km optimal, warp in at 70, sanctums or forsaken hubs 120-130M / hour
1500 dps gardes, 1000 dps wardens at 50 and 100km optimal, warp in at 0, sanctums or forsaken hubs, 130-140M / hour

Gate havens are roughly the equivalent of forsaken hubs. After 6 drone damage mods the added chance to save volleys drops drastically, so fitting signal amps or pvp escape mods might help. Negate align time by pre-aligning while killing the last rats. Be ready to jump to a static cyno / alt in case of tackle attempts.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#68 - 2012-08-08 20:33:15 UTC
I was averaging about 110mil per hour in a chimera in Angel space using T2 Bouncers. Since the introduction of drone damage mods sentries work better than fighters. Warp in @ 50 and kill small stuff first. used to alternate between a sanctum and haven as we only used to get 1 santum at a time.

4 x DCU
1 x Drone link aug

2x omnidirectional
2x sebo
2xinvuln
capital rep


3x drone damage mods
cap power (yea I know I loose shield boost but it worked)

3x LCCC
Thundren
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2012-08-10 17:32:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Thundren
My experience:

Serpentis Forsaken hubs (no faction spawns)

Dominix: 30 million tick average
Technically a domi has nearly as good a dps as a vindicator, but the lack of tracking on your sentries means they frequently miss the orbiting T2 cruisers, slowing your ticks down and forcing you to deploy heavies. Because of this, it doesn't even quite match a hyperion.

Hyperion: 35 million average
Hyperion is the best cheap(ish) ratting ship. Repair bonus means tanking sites is easy, really high dps.

These numbers are without faction mag stabs.

Too many people think the range of blasters is a problem when running forsaken hubs. It isn't. You just have to use null on part of the first spawn.

If you use rails, you are just wrong.
Goatlol
Black Aces
Goonswarm Federation
#70 - 2012-08-15 08:43:15 UTC
Hulasikaly Wada wrote:

Pushed 90 millions/hour ( 3 anomalies ) with this cheap Nightmare on actual drone space ON TEST SERVER doing the 10/10
Easiest way to tank drones and enought cap to never stop shooting at 40 km optimal with over 1000 dps with low-grade crystals and +3 implants, and yes can be much more pimped

[Nightmare, New Setup 1]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Auto Targeting System II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Energy Locus Coordinator II


Hobgoblin II x5


Fly safe
Hula


What +3 implants are you using?
Razor Rocker
Super Mother Fan Club
#71 - 2012-08-15 13:42:00 UTC
He most likely had perception and willpower 3+ implants and the rest as crystal. I did the same with my nightmare fit, although I was using 5+ for perception and willpower. I know it looks odd when you see the list of implants, but the bonus from having a full set wasn't really needed.


Great to see this post is still alive and kicking.
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#72 - 2012-08-16 17:28:03 UTC
Navy geddon out preforms nightmare
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#73 - 2012-08-16 18:09:07 UTC
Lilan Kahn wrote:
Navy geddon out preforms nightmare


It what game?

Because it sure ain't EVE lol. I've used both in Sansha, Blood Raider and Drone Null sec and the Nightmare has no equal except maybe the Paladin and Machariel. The navy Geddon is great, but it just doesn't get the bonuses the NM gets. The Nightmare's Tracking bonus alone means in scores nicer hits on sub-BS rats.

The only way the Navy Geddon beats a Nightmare is if you forget one of the nightmare's guns lol.
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#74 - 2012-08-16 20:01:02 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lilan Kahn wrote:
Navy geddon out preforms nightmare


It what game?

Because it sure ain't EVE lol. I've used both in Sansha, Blood Raider and Drone Null sec and the Nightmare has no equal except maybe the Paladin and Machariel. The navy Geddon is great, but it just doesn't get the bonuses the NM gets. The Nightmare's Tracking bonus alone means in scores nicer hits on sub-BS rats.

The only way the Navy Geddon beats a Nightmare is if you forget one of the nightmare's guns lol.



navy geddon 1550 dps, sure nightmare has nice tracking but you dont need tracking in forsaken hubs
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#75 - 2012-08-16 20:07:34 UTC
Lilan Kahn wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lilan Kahn wrote:
Navy geddon out preforms nightmare


It what game?

Because it sure ain't EVE lol. I've used both in Sansha, Blood Raider and Drone Null sec and the Nightmare has no equal except maybe the Paladin and Machariel. The navy Geddon is great, but it just doesn't get the bonuses the NM gets. The Nightmare's Tracking bonus alone means in scores nicer hits on sub-BS rats.

The only way the Navy Geddon beats a Nightmare is if you forget one of the nightmare's guns lol.



navy geddon 1550 dps, sure nightmare has nice tracking but you dont need tracking in forsaken hubs


So have you actually tried it?? or is EFT warrior high dps numbers proof enough?
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#76 - 2012-08-16 20:12:53 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
Lilan Kahn wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lilan Kahn wrote:
Navy geddon out preforms nightmare


It what game?

Because it sure ain't EVE lol. I've used both in Sansha, Blood Raider and Drone Null sec and the Nightmare has no equal except maybe the Paladin and Machariel. The navy Geddon is great, but it just doesn't get the bonuses the NM gets. The Nightmare's Tracking bonus alone means in scores nicer hits on sub-BS rats.

The only way the Navy Geddon beats a Nightmare is if you forget one of the nightmare's guns lol.



navy geddon 1550 dps, sure nightmare has nice tracking but you dont need tracking in forsaken hubs


So have you actually tried it?? or is EFT warrior high dps numbers proof enough?


tried it working fine, enjoying my 35m isk ticks very much.

cost is cheeper than a nightmare as well Lol
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#77 - 2012-08-17 01:25:04 UTC
Lilan Kahn wrote:
Cage Man wrote:
Lilan Kahn wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lilan Kahn wrote:
Navy geddon out preforms nightmare


It what game?

Because it sure ain't EVE lol. I've used both in Sansha, Blood Raider and Drone Null sec and the Nightmare has no equal except maybe the Paladin and Machariel. The navy Geddon is great, but it just doesn't get the bonuses the NM gets. The Nightmare's Tracking bonus alone means in scores nicer hits on sub-BS rats.

The only way the Navy Geddon beats a Nightmare is if you forget one of the nightmare's guns lol.



navy geddon 1550 dps, sure nightmare has nice tracking but you dont need tracking in forsaken hubs


So have you actually tried it?? or is EFT warrior high dps numbers proof enough?


tried it working fine, enjoying my 35m isk ticks very much.

cost is cheeper than a nightmare as well Lol


That's cool, but how is that 35 mil tick Navy Geddon outperforming my 44 mil Tick Nightmare, is what I was saying. Navy Geddon is fine, Nightmare or paladin is better.
Razor Rocker
Super Mother Fan Club
#78 - 2012-08-17 04:14:54 UTC
Lilan Kahn wrote:
Navy geddon out preforms nightmare



I'd imagine you use 4 heat sinks to get that kinda of DPS? do you armor or shield tank it?

In the end, the NM will always out perform. With the same implants you get 50 less dps, but a lot more tracking for the cruisers. Also the navy geddon has 316 of its DPS as heavy drones which is always worse than turret DPS.

It is however cheaper, but with that many faction heat sinks and implants in its going to suck to lose no matter what.

Only ship that I can see out performing the nightmare is the shield vindi which puts out just under 2100 dps and still has 2x 90% webs
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#79 - 2012-08-17 07:36:17 UTC
i could get higher ticks but have a ass of a system with some rly long warp, also its drone dps is in gards so no not worse than turret dps
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#80 - 2012-08-17 11:54:58 UTC
Lilan Kahn wrote:
i could get higher ticks but have a ass of a system with some rly long warp, also its drone dps is in gards so no not worse than turret dps



And you do know the Nightmare , in addition to it's insanely bonused guns, can also use 3 Sentry Drones?. Marauder-like double gun bonus (giving it the equivalent of 8 guns to the Navy Armageddon's 7 and making fitting concerns a lot simpler), same damage bonus as the Navy Geddon and a Tracking Bonus the Navy Geddon doesn't get, not to mention a 2nd utility high slot (i use a neut and a Salvager , Salvager for if I get a faction spawn, Neut just in case I get tackled, which I never have, but what the heck).

Like I said, I'm sure the Navy Geddon is a good ship, but I'm still waiting for the "out perform the nightmare" part. If you'd said "almost as good as a Nightmare but a LOT cheaper" we could all agree with that, but please don't tell me 2 extra sentry drones means "out performing lol.

Thou shalt not blaspheme against the Nightmare.