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Why Off Grid booster nerf won't happen (ever) or won't be what you think

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Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#321 - 2012-08-17 00:46:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
Ensign X wrote:
Diesel47 wrote:
Ensign X wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Does the WoW community cry about EVE players this much?


I'm pretty sure they're too busy enjoying the most popular MMO in the history of MMOs to give a **** about what some whiny space-douches think. Smile


Why is your avatar so... sideways?


It makes it easier to read the posts when you're looking at them? P

How can you read the forums when your avatar is looking the completely wrong way?

edit: You're asking me about my avatar when just above my previous post sits the most hideous space-creature in all of EVE?


Good point...

I guess hes looking at a smartphone or something.


edit: oh....well... yours was still stranger.... So sideways Ugh
Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#322 - 2012-08-17 00:47:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Melodee619
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Melodee619 wrote:


if I am readning this right, you want 1v1 "fair" fights ?... boosting is just fine as it is. You should remember that there is no such thing as 1v1 an "fair" fights. You do what it takes to win no matter what, end always justifys the means so to speak.

EG...
If I had to bridge 15 Avatars to kill your one vexor, I would do it because it means winning....



No - you're reading this entirely wrong. Eve is about getting the other guy engaged in an unfair fight.

Offgrid boosting however makes that too easy, so any rich noob can do it and it renders first attempts at solo and small gang pvp extremely frusrtrating for new players.

It just adds an option for carebears who are trying to pvp to make it relatively risk free, to discourage the real daring noob.


Personally, I'd actually appreciate it if you drop 15 avatars on my vexor, because I'd just call pandemic-phone (although it may not work, because you dropping 15 avatars on me may mean you actually are the lady answering pandemic-phone ;) - besides I'd still call it a victory because your fuel cost would have been way higher than the cost of my ship - so no - you're not the lady answeing pandemic-phone).


lol I was trying to make a point :D.. But I must admit this made me laugh alot. Of coarse in true EVE style this hypothetical fight would quickly get out of control, as I would "ask" my Nulli friends to get involved since they dont care alot for PL :p... all PL would do at that point is get the entire CFC in on the event.... :p

edit, I am not a member of Nulli either :)

on topic, I really never seen off grid boost as an issue. if you force them to only be within fleet then booster becomes useless because he will be the primary every time... instant death.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#323 - 2012-08-17 00:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Melodee619 wrote:


edit, I am not a member of Nulli either :)



I'm not a member of PL either (not anymore for quite some time at least...), but I hope i got the message accross: All offgrid boosters do is giving risk-averse carebears an option to buy into to making their frig alt 'own' with the money they made in highsec incursions whilst any real noob quits in frustration.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#324 - 2012-08-17 00:57:30 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
Your sole argument is "because I would unsub".

And your suggestions are basically to nerf boosting in different ways, so, I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?

Then at the end you say "stop thinking about your play style" yet half your idea is clearly geared up to your play style.... off-grid boosting is fine so long as its just for a small number of players and after that you are a "noob blobber" and must use a CS on-grid. What?


What? Who's said anything about unsubbing? You... need to read the thread again.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#325 - 2012-08-17 00:58:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Liang Nuren wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
*stuff*


What? Who's said anything about unsubbing? You... need to read the thread again.

-Liang


Diesel47 wrote:
CCP is a business afterall and it isn't good for business to be making changes that will reduce their income. I for one don't really feel too strongly how this matter is resolved, but I will unsub my OGB toon if they remove off grid boosting. Thats $15 a month less income for CCP. I'm sure many other OGB alt owners feel the same. .


From OP

Edit: I'm not even sure if I'm fore or against nerfing off grid boosting. The fact is that introducing a mechanic that stops people using certain ships after their fleet is over an exact certain number of pilots is not good design in my opinion.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Ensign X
#326 - 2012-08-17 01:05:34 UTC
I think it's fair to say, for better or worse, there will be a lot of accounts unsubbed if Off-grid Boosting is simply eliminated.
Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#327 - 2012-08-17 01:05:46 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Melodee619 wrote:


edit, I am not a member of Nulli either :)



I'm not a member of PL either (not anymore for quite some time at least...), but I hope i got the message accross: All offgrid boosters do is giving risk-averse carebears an option to buy into to making their frig alt 'own' with the money they made in highsec incursions whilst any real noob quits in frustration.


Maybe mate, but I would argue that boost isnt so powerful that you automatically win??.. least not in my experience.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#328 - 2012-08-17 01:14:04 UTC
Melodee619 wrote:


Maybe mate, but I would argue that boost isnt so powerful that you automatically win??.. least not in my experience.


Certainly not, but what's annoying is people claiming that it's hard or risky to use multiple screens and hit dscan every 30 s on one of them, claiming it's a risk to fly an OGB. Who are these people?

Cats licking their own balls?
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#329 - 2012-08-17 01:16:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Melodee619 wrote:


Maybe mate, but I would argue that boost isnt so powerful that you automatically win??.. least not in my experience.


Certainly not, but what's annoying is people claiming that it's hard or risky to use multiple screens and hit dscan every 30 s on one of them, claiming it's a risk to fly an OGB. Who are these people?

Cats licking their own balls?

When you have to warp the OGB what happens to your main who doesn't have the boosts anymore? If somebody is brawling in an active tank, and the OGB turns off for 10-20 seconds.. what do you think happens to the main?

A good prober can make gangs life a nightmare if he forces the OGB to warp and make new SSes. That is a long time with no boosts, might aswell not have an OGB at all.
Melodee619
Heavy Industry Construction and Mining Inc.
#330 - 2012-08-17 01:34:32 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Melodee619 wrote:


Maybe mate, but I would argue that boost isnt so powerful that you automatically win??.. least not in my experience.


Certainly not, but what's annoying is people claiming that it's hard or risky to use multiple screens and hit dscan every 30 s on one of them, claiming it's a risk to fly an OGB. Who are these people?

Cats licking their own balls?


haha good point
Baron vonDoom
Scorn.
#331 - 2012-08-17 01:39:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Baron vonDoom
OP hardly ever did any pvp outside highsec, so his claims aren't surprising - especially the ones where he claims to solo-counter nullsec blobs...
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#332 - 2012-08-17 01:49:38 UTC
Baron vonDoom wrote:
OP hardly ever did any pvp outside highsec, so his claims aren't surprising - especially the ones where he claims to solo-counter nullsec blobs...


I have atleast 150 0.0 or lowsec kills out of 273. Just because I don't pvp much doesn't mean I don't read up on the topic or know a thing or two.

Better than your 30 man blob kills that hardly even count as PvP. Anybody can sit in a big fleet and F1 targets then rack up thousands of kills. KM whoring doesn't make you good.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#333 - 2012-08-17 01:51:59 UTC
I dont even know what off-grid boosting is...
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#334 - 2012-08-17 02:20:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Diesel47, why do you dislike the idea of a general off grid nerf? Is it so you can 'afk' your alt in the boosting ship and fight with your main. Serious question btw, just interested to know your particular reasons.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Ensign X
#335 - 2012-08-17 02:52:38 UTC
So fresh and so clean!
Lumi Onren
Doomheim
#336 - 2012-08-17 02:52:52 UTC
One thing to note is how prevalent off grid T3 boosters have become in low sec lately. Especially in FW areas and regions like Molden Heath which have been known for solo and small gang activities. More and more pilots seem to be using them to "1v1", which just seems wrong... honestly I doubt the current situation regarding boosters is good for long term health of the game
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#337 - 2012-08-17 02:55:28 UTC
Those posts were rather hilarious, shame they were removed.
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#338 - 2012-08-17 02:57:18 UTC
I have cleaned this thread of a lot of off topic, troll and personal attack posts. Take very careful note that this kind of behaviour has no place on these forums and they are in fact a breach of the forum rules. If some of you have forgotten what those rules are, please go here and refresh your memories.

A good discussion about changes to the game is always welcome and can be a great deal of fun to read, I for one love to sit and look through all the ideas that players come up with. So please, lets try and remain civil, have a great discussion and leave the insults elsewhere ok? Thank you - ISD Type40.

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Ensign X
#339 - 2012-08-17 02:58:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ensign X
You're going to make the ISD team have to come back in here and clean up your mess. Again. Ugh

edit: Oh hai, ISD Type40. Sorry about that other dude. Keep doing what you do. Big smile
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#340 - 2012-08-17 03:00:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
I have cleaned this thread of a lot of off topic, troll and personal attack posts. Take very careful note that this kind of behaviour has no place on these forums and they are in fact a breach of the forum rules. If some of you have forgotten what those rules are, please go here and refresh your memories.

A good discussion about changes to the game is always welcome and can be a great deal of fun to read, I for one love to sit and look through all the ideas that players come up with. So please, lets try and remain civil, have a great discussion and leave the insults elsewhere ok? Thank you - ISD Type40.


Good to know atleast somebody reads these threads. Smile