EVE General Discussion

The meta will keep changing. If OGBs are gone then the new meta will be to bring RR alts, or falcons... and if you don't do that then you will suck/lose/die Then we will see whines about that.

But removing OGBs in general is just a bad idea, because we believe it will making fighting outnumbered a thing of the past.

If your problem is that the enemy will always try to bring some sort of advantage... well you can't change that.. It will always happen. Like you said "welcome to eve"

But if your problem is that you want blobs to become even stronger than they are... and small gangs to not have a chance against them.. then you are a bad person and should feel bad.

Try using d-scan real quickly.. see if there is a random tengu or loki on your scan when the fight is happening..

if you don't want to pay attention to it.. just scan once during the fight and you can look at it later.

Just look for weird things... If a drake points you and hes like 30km away then that could mean a booster. Not alot of people faction point drakes.

If you have speed on your overview (which you should) you can tell if you look at ships and notice their speeds. Just have a rough idea of what ships go what speed with and without boosters. Try EFT, takes like 2 minutes, you can even write it on a slip of paper and tape it on your monitor if u have to.

Once you do these few things and determine they have a booster... just have a trusty scanner next time you want to fight and nab yourself a tasty 600mil+ killmail, The booster should die in like 3 volleys.

it's not like its impossible to know who has a booster.. you just have to look for the right things.


But if the whiners get their way, enjoy your simplified eve. I heard somewhere that there is a conspiracy by CCP to make the game so easy that the people quitting WoW would actually want to play.

I use OGB extensively, and hate them. They take time to set up properly before fights - off scan, etc, which takes away from the fluidity of combat when both sides are hesitant to engage before their boosters are in place. When using OGBs, you're either fighting other people with OGB's, in which case parity is maintained, or you're screwing with a blob of relatively incompetent players. I'll gladly take the nerf to fighting dumb blobs for not having to haul around a link alt just to keep up in goodfites with competent PvPers.

As for probing, people rarely try to probe OGB's if you set up the safespots properly, and if they do you've got plenty of time to see them coming and hop around safes. It's not hard to hit D-scan every 30 seconds or so in a fight.

Lastly, I have a lot of linked BC fits I'm dying to try out. Three man gang with Wing Commander/Squad Commander/Squad member a fleet can have two of their favorite links going on-grid on BC hulls without significant fitting nerfs, which sounds a hell of a lot more fun for everyone involved.

Your a troll - post with your main. OGB is teh only thing saving eve from becoming bobs online. If you can't fiedl one, get you're own. Jaelous bastards.

A blob of some noobtards that does not bring OGBs now will clearly be even less likely to have the organisation/skills to bring on-grid boosts after the change, therefore the mystical small-gang vs blob warfare will still be possible and far off from a catastrophy.

And fitting an Interdiction Maneuvers II Link instead of neuts works without problems on a Hurricane, throw a mindlink into your head and you can boost 90% of what an offgrid Loki would boost with it. You can't tell me that 10% loss are that much of a terrible catastrophy.





I think it would be the best for CCP to restrict boosting to 200kms in some hotfix patch next week and just see how it pans out for the next months. Then, with the winter expansion, it could be reviewed and potentially reverted.

I absolutely agree that there has to be any advatage to bring smaller numbers instead of a blob - be it mass-based spool timers on gates or anything else.

I think it's a historical thing - band of devs owned goons using bigger ships and T2, goons took over, monopolized the T2 market and called for nerfs to anything big.

Bigger numbers remained entirely unaffected by this and helped any meaningful pvp to become the brainless 'ctrl+click broadcast list, hit F1' fiasco we currently have.

Yes - offgrid boosting is an equalizer for the numberwise over-exponential fleet effectivity we curently face, but hurts even smaller/newer groups way more.

By keeping it for the time being, you're killing off an entire generation of new eve pilots that didn't join via SA forums.

Might be a viable hotfix - I can agree to that.

Or they just make it on-grid as the "boost" to blobs will be barely noticable.

P.S: More examples of how the blob is catastrophically boosted pls

lmfao, so wrong.

Try kiting a blob when they all have skirmish links and you don't.

Realistically, they are not going to remove gang boosting. Thus, I feel that we'd all be best off if we collected a list of things that they should fix at the same time. I want the ships to really fit into the gangs that they're supposed to boost and have compelling gameplay. Some people want the fleet bonuses to rearrange themselves when the bonus giver dies.

I'm sure there's a lot of things that could be better. Why are you so dead set on ruining the play style that I want to have?

-Liang

Ed: And just to be clear: I'm talking about simply deleting ~25M SP off my accounts if that's what it takes to sustain the play style. But giving boosts to only the blob is.. well, simply unacceptable.