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Rookies and the starting systems - where are all the rookies?

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JonnyRandom
#1 - 2012-08-15 20:07:49 UTC  |  Edited by: JonnyRandom
On my "main", I do lvl 4 missions all day long. I don't actually use all the isk I make on anything more useful than bumping my DPS by just 10 more points, or my tank to last just 5 seconds longer. You know what I mean? I waste billions of isk on deadspace and officer mods just get 1-3% more stats to... to do what? To do more level 4 missions.
Honestly, I don't know why I keep doing this, because I am extremely bored.

So last year around Christmas and New Year's I decided to have a rookie give-away and I went to the 1.0 starter systems to hold a small event where I'd wait at a random planet or asteroid belt, and the first person to reach me and fly to under 5km to me would get free isk.
I tried doing this for about half a day in three different systems. I increased the isk I was offering, I started doing planets only, I even tried to offer advice while in system, but I was so shocked that there was no response. Nothing. Nobody ever came looking for me, nobody even replied in chat even once. And I think each system had around 50 players in them.
I quit a few days later.

Well I'm playing again now, I still don't know why I endlessly mindlessly grind lvl4's, and I keep thinking back to last New Year.

So, the TL;DR version -
Where are you rookie? Are you even interested in these simple games to win free isk? What would make you more interested if you are not?

edit: changed to say rookie instead of noob :)
Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#2 - 2012-08-15 20:14:58 UTC
The "noob" systems are literally just the ones you start in when you make a new pilot.

I would assume these players are too busy with the tutorial to notice/know what you're asking.
Gaius Fabricius
3M Sinq Laison
#3 - 2012-08-15 20:27:12 UTC
Took me a good while to notice I had a chat, also that this chat contained different channels.
For the first few days, I only read a little in corp chat. And I am only now just starting to use local chat!
Also I was warned to beware of scammers, and if something sounded to good to be true, it was.
(So I would probably have ignored you had I read it.)
Vanara Acad
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-08-15 20:53:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Vanara Acad
Well I could keep you some company in a day or two if you would like or vice versa.

About the 1.0 systems, I will move out of it as soon as I'll have an Agent at 0.5 ( still safe right? ). Hopefully surrounded with High-Sec systems so I'll get more out of mission running and alike. I was told, the lower the systems the better the rewards.

P.S.: I dislike the word "noob" ( would feel a little bit offended ), rookie is much more suitable for newcomers if you ask me.

As well I agree with Gaius Fabricius
Gaius Fabricius wrote:

Also I was warned to beware of scammers, and if something sounded to good to be true, it was.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#5 - 2012-08-15 21:28:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Vanara Acad wrote:
Well I could keep you some company in a day or two if you would like or vice versa.

About the 1.0 systems, I will move out of it as soon as I'll have an Agent at 0.5 ( still safe right? ). Hopefully surrounded with High-Sec systems so I'll get more out of mission running and alike. I was told, the lower the systems the better the rewards.

P.S.: I dislike the word "noob" ( would feel a little bit offended ), rookie is much more suitable for newcomers if you ask me.

As well I agree with Gaius Fabricius
Gaius Fabricius wrote:

Also I was warned to beware of scammers, and if something sounded to good to be true, it was.


0.5 is still hisec yes...

edit -- yes, normally we say 'rookie' or 'newbie' (or newb ... not to be confused with noob)

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Ravens Shadowcrow
Griff-Co
#6 - 2012-08-15 21:43:49 UTC
Gaius Fabricius wrote:
Took me a good while to notice I had a chat, also that this chat contained different channels.
For the first few days, I only read a little in corp chat. And I am only now just starting to use local chat!
Also I was warned to beware of scammers, and if something sounded to good to be true, it was.
(So I would probably have ignored you had I read it.)


Pretty much this I would think. I'm on day 4 (or is it 5) and generally have the chat minimized or sitting in the rookie channel where I can ask questions. If I had seen the offer you posted I would have avoided it thinking you were just looking ot "gank" noobs. They kind of beat into your head that there's lots of unscrupulous players just waiting out in the dark edges of space, ready to screw you over any chance they can get (whether it's true or not)

Good for you trying to help out new players though. :)
Kharaxus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-08-15 21:43:56 UTC
lvl 4 missions is a great way to attract noobs, or rookies. You form a fleet, warp in for the aggro, have the other rookies fly in, and they help you kill the rats, share lp, ISK, and standings. Gives you a reason, or a purpose for telling them how to fit their ships better, than say mixing weapons, or shield tank AND armor tank, etc.



mkint
#8 - 2012-08-15 21:54:34 UTC
Example with cas. Spawn system is cistuvaert but career agents are a couple jumps away. And arnon is a dozen jumps. You might just be in the wrong systems. I've interacted with noobs in local, they are around.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

JonnyRandom
#9 - 2012-08-16 01:20:28 UTC
Hm. I did choose to go into the rookie 1.0 systems specifically because all kinds of griefing rookie pilots is forbidden in just those systems, so I didn't think rookies would be cautious of me, but I guess good for them to try and be safe from the very start.

Now that I think of it to a rookie this probably looks like such an obvious trap. Fly to some planet and approach an unknown vessel and get blown up for the effort, right?

How do you guys suggest I can approach this from another angle? Maybe some kind of other game to play? Trivia or something?
I'm thinking, maybe I should make an alt so I can get access to the rookie channel? Is it allowed to have these kind of games in it?
mkint
#10 - 2012-08-16 04:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: mkint
Start a new character and do the tutorials. You'll see that you won't even see local until you've started the career agents.

edit:
JonnyRandom wrote:
I'm thinking, maybe I should make an alt so I can get access to the rookie channel? Is it allowed to have these kind of games in it?

Not even a little bit. Rookie help has pretty much the same rules as regular help channel, which you can read in the motd. No recruitment, no advertising of any kind, no contests, giveaways, financial agreements, off topic conversation, no trolling. It's meant to be strictly a Q&A channel. To varying degrees of success.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Keno Skir
#11 - 2012-08-16 04:52:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
I have also tried this several times to varying degrees of success. I think a large part of it has to do with the rookie pilots either being too busy to notice or thinking it's a scam. I'll give it another go tomorrow with a bunch of different prizes n see how expensive i have to go before someone has to pay attention What?

If any new pilots even see me tomorrow, tell me u read this and i'll give you a prize.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-08-16 05:11:47 UTC
Im reasonably new...why not just give me the isk? o.0
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-08-16 07:12:04 UTC
Surprising it took you that long to get bored of missions, perhaps you'll have more fun finding a good corp and blowing other people up in cheap destroyers or frigs, EVE is much more fun once you start playing with other people and the price of a couple of those officer mods (can I haz?) can fund quite a few fights in T1 fitted boats.

Anyway, the rookie systems, where CCP enforces a somewhat strict "don't f*ck with newbs", aren't just the 1.0 systems where they initially wake up, the new players hardly spend more than an hour there, it also includes the 0.9 dead-end systems (they're specifically chosen because they only have 1 gate so no one gets lost I believe) where they do the career agents missions.

A lot of them are warned quite early about scams, so suspicion is understandable but I assure you there are people in rookie systems, alas, how many of them are newbs and not new alts? hard to tell. But if I wanted to dedicate some of my ressources towards new players, I'd look more into sharing knowledge and experience, than giving away assets or ISKs, the former allows them to acquire the later more easily in my opinion.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#14 - 2012-08-16 11:31:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Just hang around in Rookie or Help channel for any period of time and you will come to believe that everyone (and I mean really everyone) is out to scam you and kill you, they will offer to help you with your missions and fleet you, then use that to kill you, ninja-salvagers will steal your loot and then kill you and miners have a live expectancy of a few minutes before they are ganked, their minerals stolen and killed again for good measure.
Not to mention any courier contracts are all traps, you will get popped the moment you undock, no exceptions!
Of course anyone who offers you "free" money will also scam you, no exceptions either!

But that is still harmless compared to The Dreaded Low-Sec, where every system is packed full of pirates waiting just for you and there are of course massive gatecamps at every single gate that will instantly kill you as soon as you jump in.


The truth is, of course, a lot more complex, but what can you expect from hear-say stories that get themselves perpetuated and grow with each telling?
No wonder no one will take up your offer, it´s a trap, after all...



Edit: The best thing you could actually do for new players is spend some time in Help-(and if possible in Rookie)Channel and counter those myths and outright false information.
That will probably be more worth than ISK for new players, eventually.

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Ajit Kumar Bhattacharya
DEEP-13
#15 - 2012-08-16 18:08:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ajit Kumar Bhattacharya
JonnyRandom wrote:
Hm. I did choose to go into the rookie 1.0 systems specifically because all kinds of griefing rookie pilots is forbidden in just those systems, so I didn't think rookies would be cautious of me, but I guess good for them to try and be safe from the very start.

Now that I think of it to a rookie this probably looks like such an obvious trap. Fly to some planet and approach an unknown vessel and get blown up for the effort, right?

How do you guys suggest I can approach this from another angle? Maybe some kind of other game to play? Trivia or something?
I'm thinking, maybe I should make an alt so I can get access to the rookie channel? Is it allowed to have these kind of games in it?



Anchor a Secure Container and put a riddle or trivia question as the name of it so it can be read when you mouse over it. The answer to the riddle or question is the password that will let the rookie access it and get the prize inside.

“How Earth-like? 'Temperate and able to sustain life' Earth-like or 'completely overrun with self-absorbed assholes' Earth-like?”

Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-08-16 21:57:41 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:
But if I wanted to dedicate some of my ressources towards new players, I'd look more into sharing knowledge and experience, than giving away assets or ISKs, the former allows them to acquire the later more easily in my opinion.




^^
Ione Hawke
Darkness Industries
#17 - 2012-08-16 22:21:23 UTC
Ajit Kumar Bhattacharya wrote:
JonnyRandom wrote:

[snip]

How do you guys suggest I can approach this from another angle? Maybe some kind of other game to play? Trivia or something?
I'm thinking, maybe I should make an alt so I can get access to the rookie channel? Is it allowed to have these kind of games in it?



Anchor a Secure Container and put a riddle or trivia question as the name of it so it can be read when you mouse over it. The answer to the riddle or question is the password that will let the rookie access it and get the prize inside.



Actually rather like that idea. You could add a bookmark to a new location and the riddle could be the password for the next container. Which could contain another location etc. Obviously add candy.
Rams Trouput
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-08-17 00:10:00 UTC
JonnyRandom wrote:
Hm. I did choose to go into the rookie 1.0 systems specifically because all kinds of griefing rookie pilots is forbidden in just those systems, so I didn't think rookies would be cautious of me, but I guess good for them to try and be safe from the very start.

Now that I think of it to a rookie this probably looks like such an obvious trap. Fly to some planet and approach an unknown vessel and get blown up for the effort, right?

How do you guys suggest I can approach this from another angle? Maybe some kind of other game to play? Trivia or something?
I'm thinking, maybe I should make an alt so I can get access to the rookie channel? Is it allowed to have these kind of games in it?

Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-08-17 00:12:18 UTC
They are right to be suspicious. Eve is a lot of fun, but extremely harsh...as I'm sure you know...
Tillimitrus Sand
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-08-17 00:30:17 UTC
Ione Hawke wrote:
Ajit Kumar Bhattacharya wrote:
JonnyRandom wrote:

[snip]

How do you guys suggest I can approach this from another angle? Maybe some kind of other game to play? Trivia or something?
I'm thinking, maybe I should make an alt so I can get access to the rookie channel? Is it allowed to have these kind of games in it?



Anchor a Secure Container and put a riddle or trivia question as the name of it so it can be read when you mouse over it. The answer to the riddle or question is the password that will let the rookie access it and get the prize inside.



Actually rather like that idea. You could add a bookmark to a new location and the riddle could be the password for the next container. Which could contain another location etc. Obviously add candy.


Then be waiting at the bookmark to pod them and add their corpse to the container with the previous 22 rookies that landed on grid. You see even candy is poison in New Eden...
If you want to fly safe then dock up. I always fly deadly. - Xeris 7
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