Wormholes

It might not be a great idea but i don't think it's terrible. It would force hostile to announce their presence buy launching probes. it's just another tactic that people can use.

Our corp has been in WH's for 2-3 years.
If CCP does remove force fields from POS's we will be leaving WH space.

EDIT: Why you ask? The above answers them.

The defenders are going to lose every time unless they have a large group of people on all the time who can then defend the WH. Why should small corps or alliances put billions of isk at risk with little chance to survive. This will ONLY help attackers and the PVP groups in Worm holes. This shows the contempt that CCP has for industrialist's and manufacturers who will not be able to defend what they own in worm holes.

We are not in worm holes to mainly PVP but to make isk.
Making POS's (and our ships in wh's) this vulnerable means I will pull my stuff out of wh's and find something else to do.

If CCP is trying to depopulate worm holes this is a GREAT idea.

Your argument fall apart when you consider that fights don't tend to happen at POS's. You will still be able to see ships in space doing sites, PI or whatever.

But, it's just an idea and it's not even mine.

Like I stated before it will only work a handful of times, because once the hostiles deployed their probes and scanned down your POS they will save its location for future. Second, this is a terrible idea for w-space where covert is key, at the rate this thread and this POS design is going might as well bring the local. Third, terrible idea since CCP will have to spend time implementing it for a handful of uses instead of working on new features.

I would argue that it is your job as our representative on the CSM. Call them solutions, call them ideas, call them suggestions. CCP (or you, or other CSM members) have proposed ideas. I think in this thread you can see that we collectively think those ideas blow chunks regardless of who suggested them. You now know how we feel and hopefully what we want, if you didn't already.

When CCP says "what do you think about X", and asks for input, that is the time to be our voice in their ears, or to let them know you need to gauge the community. We're groping in the darkness about how things are really implemented and exactly why they want to remove force fields thanks to the NDA, but you're not. It's an added pressure on you to spend time to come up with suggestions that work within the NDA'd framework and goals that CCP has to achieve what we want, but that's part of the job and why you were elected.

But we need to get our voices to them in a way they might have a chance of hearing as quickly as possible. Like most everyone else here, I don't want to look at w-space a year from now and not be able to tell the difference between it and k-space. That's what we're afraid of, and that's why we're screaming so loudly now, while there still might be a chance to prevent it from happening. It hasn't helped that you don't quite appear to be connecting with the general consensus in this thread.



If they want to have any sort of proximity-based safety area, that's a force field. We have that already. They would be taking away what we have now ... to give us ... what we already have.

Is that what they're talking about or proposing, or is that what you or another CSM is suggesting, or have they even mentioned anything about it, or is all of that under NDA wraps? We keep asking what is NDA and what isn't, because we don't know. Not having an answer on that just means we'll keep asking. Remember, we'll sit 4 hours just to gank a hauler. We have the patience to continue to poke at you about it ;)

I don't know... I've gotten a lot of my PI kills by just seein a hauler on d-scan not at a POS and then warping myself to the system's plasma or storm planet. Like moths to a flame, really.

So I've had just about enough replying to people that haven't even bothered to read the minutes they are supposedly complaining about. Go read them, then come back to this thread.



The worry about large POSes in lower class wormholes isn't something that I just made up. It has been mentioned many time by many people over the years. In this case, this is something CCP is somewhat aware of, and it actually has been discussed with them at other summits by other CSM members. If I recall correctly, in this case it was suggested by CCP that some of the POS modules would only fit in a freighter, just like i-hubs and some of the sov upgrades (I think?). For example, the minutes say:
CCP Greyscale mentioned that he would love to have a death ray that required a ton of power plants as a possible module option.

That module (or the powerplants to power it), might need to be moved by freighters. Before people start going nuts about C6 death rays, I want to point out that it is just an idea, and might require sov, or might not exist at all.

I think increased POS prices might be nice, especially if shooting them only destroyed the core module and you could steal the rest. I'm not sure about making logistics harder, but it is interesting to hear you suggest it, since if they couldn't be moved in an orca that would require a freighter, which would mean C5 and C6 only. I would expect that the docking module (if it exists) would be large, and would probably require a lot of power and CPU, such that it would take many trips to set one up (and probably reduce the amount of spare grid for defenses).

"POS Addons" is pretty much the idea we talked about the whole time. The idea would be that you are attaching hangars or powerplants to a central core, but you only have a single object that you interact with.

If you indeed do wish to gather more information about lower class wormhole space, I would love to be part of that discussion. Hell, I would even help organize a panel to get multiple points of view if you'd be up for it

err... double post

But why should it be that easy for you to remove a group of people from a Wh? If you really do want to remove those people from a WH you should be expected to put in the effort to have a solid fleet composition to do so. If they do what you propose, you really won't have many people that will set up a tower like that in w-space and those that do will be the same 6-10 man corps that already set up really bad towers like that you could do the same to IN GAME NOW.