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Soulpirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-08-16 18:17:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Soulpirate
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Vel'drinn wrote:
Sony probably wants to maintain their exclusive platform for a while to drive console sales. After a while it makes perfect sense to release a PC client.

Opens up a lot more marketing potential considering all Eve players are PC users. Lost count of how many times I've heard, "Dust looks cool but I'm not going to buy a PS3 to play it."


The intent isn't to get you to buy a PS3 to play dust, it was CCP's intent to break into console development.

It is a fact that more people play console games than pc games by a huge margin. CCP told everyone straight up that dust was made as a console exclusive game because they wanted to break into console game development, and to bring console gamers into the EVE universe.

Most people do not JUST own a console or JUST own a pc. Most people have both. By introducing EVE into a NEW market they are expanding the potential player base for EVE itself. People who only play pc games have more than likely heard about EVE; on the other hand, there are millions of console gamers with a computer in there homes capable of running EVE that have never heard of EVE.

If you sell a product you want to expose that product to as many people as are not aware of that product, you don't keep pushing it on people who are already aware of it but aren't that interested.

+1
Bold part is the key.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-08-16 18:30:00 UTC
Vel'drinn wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
The intent isn't to get you to buy a PS3 to play dust, it was CCP's intent to break into console development.


Don't kid yourself. Publishers like Sony care a lot about selling consoles. They make platform exclusive deals with developers like CCP for this very purpose.

Being a console developer obviously has advantages with accessibility. PC market for shooters is still significant, though. A smart developer tries to connect as many platforms as possible.

Regardless, DUST will succeed or fail based on how the market responds to the F2P features. Essentially they need to ensure a solid conversion rate from free players into paying customers. That's the bottom line and it doesn't really matter what platforms are available.

Except that CCP intended it to be on 360 as well. Microsoft is as much a reason dust is a ps3 exclusive as Sony is.

And you can't use one product to push another product if the vast majority of people who are exposed to the former already own the later.

It benefits Sony more to get more people using the play station network, and playing more online games over the PSN than they get pushing an obscure game developed by a company that has never developed a console game before.

If you're pushing for console sales with exclusive games, you use games and studios people are familiar with. That's not to say that no one is going to buy a PS3 to play dust, some EVE players will, but it's not going to be anywhere near enough people to justify an exclusive release.

It's not sony trying to sell more PS3's.
It's MS wasnt interested and Sony wants to push online gaming over PSN on the PS3. Why do you think sony merged SoE with the console division a few years ago?
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#23 - 2012-08-16 18:30:44 UTC
Will we be allowed to play with a mouse? And if yes how many right click contextual menus will be there?

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
Lilliana Stelles
#24 - 2012-08-16 18:35:11 UTC
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:
Will we be allowed to play with a mouse? And if yes how many right click contextual menus will be there?

The PS3 version is supposed to have kbm and mouse support at some point.

Not a forum alt. 
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-08-16 18:46:52 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
I'd prefer they didn't release it on PC for thematic reasons.

I kind of like the whole separation and two distinct gaming worlds interacting with each other. The relationship between PC and PS3.

If they add this it's going to be almost completely populated by EVE alts who need to do something while they're AFK mining.


So thats a good reason to exclude PC player Roll

Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#26 - 2012-08-16 18:48:30 UTC
Rats wrote:
Lilianna Star wrote:
I'd prefer they didn't release it on PC for thematic reasons.

I kind of like the whole separation and two distinct gaming worlds interacting with each other. The relationship between PC and PS3.

If they add this it's going to be almost completely populated by EVE alts who need to do something while they're AFK mining.


So thats a good reason to exclude PC player Roll

Tal




They're excluding PS3 players from EVE. Roll
Lilliana Stelles
#27 - 2012-08-16 19:03:58 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
Rats wrote:
Lilianna Star wrote:
I'd prefer they didn't release it on PC for thematic reasons.

I kind of like the whole separation and two distinct gaming worlds interacting with each other. The relationship between PC and PS3.

If they add this it's going to be almost completely populated by EVE alts who need to do something while they're AFK mining.


So thats a good reason to exclude PC player Roll

Tal




They're excluding PS3 players from EVE. Roll

How?

Not a forum alt. 
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#28 - 2012-08-16 19:08:47 UTC
Lilliana Stelles wrote:

How?


By not releasing it on PS3.

The game is fully capable of running on PS3. With mouse and keyboard support and all.
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-08-16 19:14:09 UTC
Sorry what MMO plays on a console ? think they all failed, where as the PC is home to all things gaming .

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#30 - 2012-08-16 19:19:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilianna Star
EVE would only fail on PS3 if it had its own server. Which it wouldn't. It would serve to bring more players into Tranquility.

But I guess MMOs simply don't belong on console. Much like how dumb, consolized FPS doesn't belong on PC.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#31 - 2012-08-16 19:50:18 UTC
I have a PS3 and obviously a PC.

If I was a die hard FPS shooter and I tried EVE and had never heard of it. I'd laugh and quit. Because FPS die hards and addicts are not wired to enjoy game like EVE, to them, it is boring. They are not looking for immersion. They are looking for kills kills kills in a fast paced combat environment. I think that, yes, more people will have heard of EVE after that. BUT surely TV commercial advertising on the appropriate channels would have been more effective and less costly than creating a video game at an attempt to achieve the same effect.

I play Battlefield 3. Occasionally. There are people who play that game like a crackhead. Those players will not like EVE. Those players will not like DUST because of the micro-transaction environment (in the case of BF3, i don't mind paying for those expansions, but those are not micro to me). DUST is an experiment that will either do great and fail miserably. Go play BETA and come back here and tell me that you have a promising vision of it's future. Yes I know, it's beta. But I'm going to go with my gut on this one. CCP is good at making EVE and they should stick to it and expanding the content offered instead of making a console game, that they don't seem to be very good at.

Dust should have been an expansion to EVE. It should have been what added to the development plans for WIS and all the other out-of-pod experiences that could have come with it. If I can get out of my pod and walk around my captains quarters, are you seriously trying to tell me that my clone cannot learn how to pick up a pistol? Use a knife? Wear combat gear? Why is it that their technology can handle an FPS environment on a console but not an FPS environment in EVE on PC? They are still sharing some of the same technologies and resources are they not?

This was an ego move for CCP. Not a smart one. We have seen what their ego does to EVE. If I want a good FPS, I play BF3 because that's the kind of FPS that I like. And if you are not trying to compete with the top of the line FPS games out there, then you are hoping to score those stragglers who those games couldn't appease. There is a market there, sure, but a small one. I think that there is a larger market for a fully encompassing PC-SciFI MMORGP/FPS that could have been awesome. If SOE hadn't failed so bad with SWG when they tried it, maybe they would have a different opinion on the matter. SOE failed because, well it's SOE and that company is horrible.

If still anyone wants to argue this issue. Just ask yourself. Why did CCP share with us a vision of the girl pulling out a pistol on the guy in the station after he ordered the planetary strike? It left us with a "vision" of what maybe they would do with WIS.
So CCP put this out there as their vision and are NOT delivering on it. Not very impressed with DUST. And LOL at the graphics.....really....poorly played CCP. IMO.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#32 - 2012-08-16 19:51:03 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
EVE would only fail on PS3 if it had its own server. Which it wouldn't. It would serve to bring more players into Tranquility.

But I guess MMOs simply don't belong on console. Much like how dumb, consolized FPS doesn't belong on PC.


If it wasn't for PC FPS wouldn't exist.
Lilliana Stelles
#33 - 2012-08-16 20:05:42 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
Lilliana Stelles wrote:

How?


By not releasing it on PS3.

The game is fully capable of running on PS3. With mouse and keyboard support and all.

Most peoplw don't have a mouse and keyboard hooked up to the PS3, nor will sony publish a game that requires it.

And I've yet to meet a PS3 owner that doesn't have a PC.

Not a forum alt. 
Xiang Jing
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-08-16 20:14:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Xiang Jing
The OP in the thread is discussing the time it will take between "linking up" Dust and Eve and expresses concern about it taking a few months. I believe CCP has addressed this recently. Later on in the thread a "PC beta" is mentioned by a different poster, but there is no source or anything, and it appears to be simple confusion more than anything.

Quaaid wrote:
Would someone with a Caldari/Asian Avatar please look at this and tell us what is going on?


lol
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-08-16 22:57:09 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
I'd prefer they didn't release it on PC for thematic reasons.

I kind of like the whole separation and two distinct gaming worlds interacting with each other. The relationship between PC and PS3.

If they add this it's going to be almost completely populated by EVE alts who need to do something while they're AFK mining.


I often play on the PS3 while AFK mining, but usually something like fallout that I can pause while I re-target my lasers.
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#36 - 2012-08-16 23:20:56 UTC
Rats wrote:
Sorry what MMO plays on a console ? think they all failed, where as the PC is home to all things gaming.


Final Fantasy XI, and Everquest come to mind readily. But don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for Eve to be on consoles, I don't think IT would work there. But I will say I was gaming LLOOONNNGGG before I ever got a PC, so...yeah.

arcca jeth wrote:
If it wasn't for PC FPS wouldn't exist.


I don't buy that for a second. That's like saying that if there had been no Lord of the Rings, then D&D wouldn't exist. Saying that discounts a slew of authors, Robert Howard and Lovecraft come to mind with little prompting, and the work they did. In other words, if it's going to exist, then nothing will stop that.

John Hancock
Sitreba Oonchevkii
#37 - 2012-08-17 01:19:14 UTC
its simple really, ccp doesn't want to cannibalize their own marketplace by putting a f2p game on the same platform as their $15 a month game

Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#38 - 2012-08-17 01:37:39 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

.............It's MS wasnt interested..........




Actual Fact Alert!


DUST514 not being released on XBOX360 has nothing to do with Microsoft not being interested. At all. The reason CCP went purely with Sony is because of the massive restrictions that Microsoft places on any company wishing to release games on it's console.

The first being that Microsoft refused to let CCP host the game on their own servers. They stipulated that DUST must run on Microsoft owned servers. Secondly there is the issue of updates. Microsoft charges each and every independent producer of games an exorbitant amount of money to release updates and/or patches for their games, and they limit those producers to a fixed number of updates and/or patches per financial year. That has been a policy at Microsoft for a number of years. The Third and final nail in the coffin was Aurum. For obvious reasons CCP want all the revenue from the sale of Aurum in DUST514 to flow straight in to their own coffers. Microsoft had other ideas and were instead insistent that players of DUST would only be able to purchase Microsoft points OR purchase their Aurum from Microsoft, who would then of course take their own cut.


Now when you take all of the above in to consideration; Lack of control over gaming servers and the accompanying network infrastructure, restrictions to updates and content patches and a reduced potential income from any Micro-transactions in the game, it is not hard to see why CCP decided NOT to go with Microsoft as a business partner. Instead, they went with Sony. Sony basically said to CCP "You do whatever you want and we'll support you, all we ask is that players sign in through PSN". Hardly a massive demand when you think about it.


And finally, as if all the above wasn't enough reason to quit griping about Sony and PS3, when CCP told Microsoft that the point of DUST514 was for it to be integrated in to EVE, Microsoft reportedly said "Only if EVE also runs on our servers, otherwise there will be no connection".

I don't know about anyone else, but the idea of Microsoft trying to run EVE pretty much makes my stomach turn.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
#39 - 2012-08-17 02:30:10 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:


I don't know about anyone else, but the idea of Microsoft trying to run EVE pretty much makes my stomach turn.



oh, yeah, im feeling the churn... where's my pepto?

Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-08-17 03:05:43 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

.............It's MS wasnt interested..........




Actual Fact Alert!


DUST514 not being released on XBOX360 has nothing to do with Microsoft not being interested. At all. The reason CCP went purely with Sony is because of the massive restrictions that Microsoft places on any company wishing to release games on it's console.

The first being that Microsoft refused to let CCP host the game on their own servers. They stipulated that DUST must run on Microsoft owned servers. Secondly there is the issue of updates. Microsoft charges each and every independent producer of games an exorbitant amount of money to release updates and/or patches for their games, and they limit those producers to a fixed number of updates and/or patches per financial year. That has been a policy at Microsoft for a number of years. The Third and final nail in the coffin was Aurum. For obvious reasons CCP want all the revenue from the sale of Aurum in DUST514 to flow straight in to their own coffers. Microsoft had other ideas and were instead insistent that players of DUST would only be able to purchase Microsoft points OR purchase their Aurum from Microsoft, who would then of course take their own cut.


Now when you take all of the above in to consideration; Lack of control over gaming servers and the accompanying network infrastructure, restrictions to updates and content patches and a reduced potential income from any Micro-transactions in the game, it is not hard to see why CCP decided NOT to go with Microsoft as a business partner. Instead, they went with Sony. Sony basically said to CCP "You do whatever you want and we'll support you, all we ask is that players sign in through PSN". Hardly a massive demand when you think about it.


And finally, as if all the above wasn't enough reason to quit griping about Sony and PS3, when CCP told Microsoft that the point of DUST514 was for it to be integrated in to EVE, Microsoft reportedly said "Only if EVE also runs on our servers, otherwise there will be no connection".

I don't know about anyone else, but the idea of Microsoft trying to run EVE pretty much makes my stomach turn.

A bunch of word that ultimately constitutes "not interested".

MS wasn't interested in allowing CCP to host on their own servers.
MS wasn't interested in making it affordable.
MS wasn't interested in letting CCP have control of their MT currency.

MS simply wasn't interested in being a worthwhile partner.

I didn't need to post a wall of text to make one simple point.
MS wasnt interested.
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